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Enough to make a person puke

Discussion in 'Creation & Evolution' started by Washington, Aug 6, 2008.

  1. seeker777

    seeker777 Thinking is not a sin.

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    It's better to stick your head in the sand and learn nothing, that way you'll never find out you were wrong all along and nobody can criticize you!

    Sweet, I got to try me some of this Biblical literalism stuff!
     
  2. AV1611VET

    AV1611VET SCIENCE CAN TAKE A HIKE Supporter

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    I don't even know the guy. He doesn't go to our church. I'd venture to say you guys don't know him, either; outside of what the media tells you.
     
  3. seeker777

    seeker777 Thinking is not a sin.

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    I watched his simpleton video and I feel he is mis-leading or telling the masses in the audience what they want to hear.
     
  4. AV1611VET

    AV1611VET SCIENCE CAN TAKE A HIKE Supporter

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    Seeker, has it ever occurred to you that the people are just as responsible as the nuts that supposedly "mislead" them? What do you think God gave us the Bible for? A doorstop?

    I read the book, I believe it was called, Six Years in Hell. It was written by a husband and wife who actually spent six years in the People's Temple.

    They tell the story about how Jim Jones was always throwing the Bible down on the pulpit and calling It a "paper idol."

    One day, a Seventh Day Adventist joined the temple. This man knew his Bible inside and out, and no matter what Jim Jones said, he couldn't shake this man's faith.

    The man was one of the men who left the temple before the massacre occurred.

    Side note: The authors of that book were mysteriously "eliminated" shortly after writing that book.
     
  5. AV1611VET

    AV1611VET SCIENCE CAN TAKE A HIKE Supporter

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    Based on what? A hunch --- or how well you know the Scriptures?
     
  6. Split Rock

    Split Rock Conflation of Blathers

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    I know him only through his own video. Did you watch it? In it, he LIES. He tells FALSEHOODS. He makes up stories about Charles Lyell and then has the audacity to ask his flock to look him up on the internet. Well... that may have been a mistake, because if any do so (most will not bother... like yourself) they will quickly find out he is a LIAR. Fortunately for him, most of "the flock" will not look Lyell up... they will just remember how Lyell invented the 4.5 byo geologic column based on evolutionary assumptions and how a Goldless conspiracy among stupid paleontologists and all of the nation's high school teachers and universities maintains the fantasy by using rocks to date fossils and fossils to date rocks.
     
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  7. Split Rock

    Split Rock Conflation of Blathers

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    Congratulations, AVET.. you are now blathering. :wave:

    What do any of these "examples" (some which make no sense or do not represent any change whatsoever) have to do with this "Good Christian" lying about Historical Facts?
     
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  8. Split Rock

    Split Rock Conflation of Blathers

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    Hey, can I play this game too? Looks like fun. Here goes:

    The Spanish Inquisition, Witch Burnings, The Crusades, The sale of Indulgences, The burning of John Hess, Priests abusing little boys, Hitler's Final Solution, Jews are responsible for The Black Death, The Pope, Henry VIII and the Church of England, The Rapture will come 2000, The Rapture will come 2001, The Rapture will come 2002, The Rapture will come 2003, The Rapture will come 2004, The Rapture will come 2005, The Rapture will come 2006, The Rapture will come 2007, The Rapture will come 2008, The BIble justifies racism, The BIble justifies poor people starving, The Bible justifies slavery, The Bible justifies AIDS, The End is near, The End is coming, The End will be here real soon, Global Warming doesn't matter 'cause I'm getting raptured next week, Atheists worship Time, Atheiest worship Nature, Atheists worship The Sun, Unicorns, Satyrs, Behemoth, Leviathan, Talking serpents, Magical fruit, Flaming Swords, Charles Darwin was the Anti-Christ, Charles Lyell was the Anti-Christ, The Pope is the Anti-Christ, John Kerry is the Anti-Christ, Hillary Clinton is the Anti-Christ, Barrack Obama is the Anti-Christ, The Earth is the center of the universe, the earth is the center of the solar system, Man is perfect, Man is a sinner, Man is naturally Bad, Adam was immortal, Adam shouldn't eat from the Tree of Life or he would become immortal, Original Sin, Hellfire, Pergatory, The Earth is Fallen, The Earth is under God's will, The Earth is under Satan's will, No death before the Fall, Animals ate plants before The Fall, Adam ate plants before The Fall, T rex ate plants before The Fall, Animals went on the ark by twos, Animals went on the ark by sevens, Guyana, David Koresh, etc.

    Just off the top of my head --- :)
     
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  9. Patashu

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    Pluto was not downgraded so much as the word 'planet' given an operational and classifying definition. Before that, planet was just 'whatever everyone says a planet is'; now planet has a very specific definition, and by the criteria everyone would consider a planet by, either Pluto had to go or a whole bunch of other insignificant rocks had to be included as well.
     
  10. us38

    us38 im in ur mind, disturben ur sanities

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    And not a single damn one of them an actual fact changing.
     
  11. Danyc

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    Another element being added to the periodic table isn't a fact change, it's us discovering something new. How does that change the fact that we now now it exists, the fact that it used to exist unkown to us? The fact that we used to not know it exists, now we do? Name the fact change here.


    You have yet to name any fact-changing.

    And your Pluto nonsense is getting aggravating. Cut it out.


    None of those are examples of a 'fact changing'. They are no more than gains in our knowledge.


    They are changes in our understanding, not in 'facts'.
     
  12. tanzanos

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    Are you kidding? AV's nonsense does more harm to the creationist movement than all of us put together.

    Don't listen to him AV. He is doomed to hellfire and brimstone.:bow:
     
  13. CACTUSJACKmankin

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    The final four were debunked before the advent of modern science. What's wrong with archaeopteryx, evolution, lucy, and SETI?
    The doomsday clock, abortion, the cold war are political, not scientific ideas.
    Much of the remainder is simply ideas that were revised in light of new, superior information.
     
  14. seeker777

    seeker777 Thinking is not a sin.

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    AV has soundly lost this round.
     
  15. Gracchus

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    In the same sense that a four-year-old peddling his tricycle up and down the driveway has lost the Indianapolis 500.

    :D
     
  16. pgp_protector

    pgp_protector Noted strange person

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    I think the 4Yo would know and understand that they didn't win though :)
     
  17. CACTUSJACKmankin

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    Fossils dating strata and strata dating fossils is not a tautology. The reason is that while these are different pieces of data, they really answer the same question. The fossil and the strata have the same age. If you know the species found in the strata, you can use the spans of those species to give an aproximate age to the rock. If you know the age of the strata, you can use that as the age of the fossil.

    Let's examine the pieces of evidence that can be used to date a fossil, all should agree:
    1) radiometric date of the strata (multiple methods, each being a separate piece of data)
    2) timespan of species found in layer
    3) known ages of strata above and below
    4) dates and span of species of the strata above and below
    5) retroactive tectonic activity can corroborate chronology and geographically relevant phenomena such as climate and ecosystem.
    6) species and dates of layers that were contemporaneously geographically and/or chronologically adjacent even if they no longer are.

    Thats more than six independent pieces of data that should all agree with the date.
     
  18. UncleHermit

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    Y2k?
     
  19. AV1611VET

    AV1611VET SCIENCE CAN TAKE A HIKE Supporter

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    Yup --- scientists had us on the brink of disaster with that one. And although I refused to be afraid when they predicted major tidal waves with the 1988 alignment of the planets (Harmonic Convergence), the earth running out of resources soon (the little girl's analogy given to the Club of Rome about algae in a pond), and the Radon Gas scare; I have to admit, that one had me a little spooked - (not much though). ;)
     
  20. Cabal

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    You work with computers tho, iirc, AV?
     
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