Endogenous retroviruses confirm common descent

[dad]

Can I come with you to a casino to play roulette? Will you tell me what number the ball will land on each time, before it does, so I can place my bets and be sure to win?

Getting a virus is not what happens in Vegas by chance.

What are your reasons for supposing a past state with non-random integrations?

Why suppose anything else? Either you know or not.

 

[BarryDesborough]

Getting a virus is not what happens in Vegas by chance.

The roulette ball does not land on the same number every time. We know this by watching spins of the roulette wheel. Retroviruses do not integrate in specific places. We know this from studying integration loci. It's all at the page linked to in the OP.

Why suppose anything else [other than my fantasies]?

Why should we suppose that your fantasies are true?

 

[Cheeky Monkey]

Why? That would not mean that only by that method things could have been passed around!

So offspring weren't related to their parents?

 

[dad]

So offspring weren't related to their parents?

Of course they were. Point?

 

[dad]

The roulette ball does not land on the same number every time. We know this by watching spins of the roulette wheel. Retroviruses do not integrate in specific places. We know this from studying integration loci. It's all at the page linked to in the OP.

Your whole approach is to tell us how and what the ERVs do now. The casino was not in Vegas, but more like say, the Cretaceous.

 

[biggles53]

Your whole approach is to tell us how and what the ERVs do now. The casino was not in Vegas, but more like say, the Cretaceous.

No. We are also talking about the loci THEN as well. Those ancient insertions were also random in their location in the genome.

 

[dad]

No. We are also talking about the loci THEN as well. Those ancient insertions were also random in their location in the genome.

Praytell, if DNA cannot go that far back, how precisely is it you are talking about it?? Spirit helper?

 

[Cheeky Monkey]

Of course they were. Point?

Related how? Would a paternity test work in the past state?

 

[biggles53]

Praytell, if DNA cannot go that far back, how precisely is it you are talking about it?? Spirit helper?

What ARE you talking about...??

Or is this just more word salad vomited onto the screen...?

 

[Doveaman]

Imagine two packs of cards, plus say, ten pairs of numbered jokers. The two packs are ordered in the same way. Now imagine two people. One cuts each pack at random. The second person inserts an identically numbered joker at the cut points and re-assembles the packs. This is repeated until all the numbered jokers are used up.

What are the chances of all the numbered jokers ending up in the same locations in both packs?

Not by chance, but by miracle.

 

[CabVet]

Praytell, if DNA cannot go that far back, how precisely is it you are talking about it?? Spirit helper?

Praytell, who told you DNA cannot go that far back?

Let me guess, DNA was "different" in the "different state past" and we have to prove you wrong?

 

[BarryDesborough]

Not by chance, but by miracle.

You have Satan performing miracles now? What for?

 

[dad]

What ARE you talking about...??

Or is this just more word salad vomited onto the screen...?

I am talking about the facts. You just do not have any present state stuff for Adam, or the animals of that day, or etc. If you do, let's see it!!!

 

[dad]

Praytell, who told you DNA cannot go that far back?

A little bird.

Let me guess, DNA was "different" in the "different state past" and we have to prove you wrong?

You claim there was DNA in the former state????? Strange conjecture. But I am assuming for now that the flood possibly happened somewhere near or at the KT layer. (subject to evidence, should any arise). That means the state change was within a century or so after that. Now....let's see some DNA from below the KT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It is you against the little bird. Good luck!

 

[CabVet]

You claim there was DNA in the former state????? Strange conjecture. But I am assuming for now that the flood possibly happened somewhere near or at the KT layer. (subject to evidence, should any arise). That means the state change was within a century or so after that. Now....let's see some DNA from below the KT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It is you against the little bird. Good luck!

Interesting, no DNA below the KT. your fantasy is worst than I thought.

 

[biggles53]

A little bird.

You claim there was DNA in the former state????? Strange conjecture. But I am assuming for now that the flood possibly happened somewhere near or at the KT layer. (subject to evidence, should any arise). That means the state change was within a century or so after that. Now....let's see some DNA from below the KT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It is you against the little bird. Good luck!

Facts about Halobacterium salinarum - Encyclopedia of Life

"Oldest DNA ever recovered
A sample of a close genetic relative of H. salinarum encapsulated in salt has allowed for the recovery of DNA fragments estimated at 121 million years old. Oddly, the material had been also recovered earlier, but it proved to be so similar to the modern descendants that scientists had believed the earlier samples were contaminated.
Scientists have previously recovered similar genetic material from the Michigan Basin, the same region where the latest discovery was made. But that DNA, discovered in a salt-cured buffalo hide in the 1930s, was so similar to that of modern microbes that many scientists believed the samples had been contaminated.[20] The curing salt had been derived from a mine in Saskatchewan, the site of the most recent sample described by Jong Soo Park of Dalhousie University in Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada.[21]
Russell Vreeland of Ancient Biomaterials Institute of West Chester University in Pennsylvania, USA, performed an analysis of all known halopathic bacteria, which yielded the finding that Park's bacteria contained six segments of DNA never seen before in the halopaths. Vreeland also tracked down the buffalo skin and determined that the salt came from the same mine as Park's sample. He has also discovered an even older halopath estimated at 250 million years old in New Mexico.[22]"

Now, like to trot out that slam dunk picture again......?

 

[Coelo]

You have Satan performing miracles now? What for?

Isn't that a double standard. You mock creationism and refuse to understand what Creationists believe. Yet you want Creationists to respect and believe what Evolutionists believe. It simply does not work that way. If you do not respect people, then they are not going to respect you. They are going to treat you the way you treat them.

 

[CabVet]

Isn't that a double standard. You mock creationism and refuse to understand what Creationists believe. Yet you want Creationists to respect and believe what Evolutionists believe. It simply does not work that way. If you do not respect people, then they are not going to respect you. They are going to treat you the way you treat them.

I don't want anybody to believe in evolution. Evolutionary biologists don't "believe" on anything, they look at the data, the conclusions, and accept them or not. Evolution requires no belief. It simply does not work that way.

 

[BarryDesborough]

Isn't that a double standard. You mock creationism and refuse to understand what Creationists believe. Yet you want Creationists to respect and believe what Evolutionists believe. It simply does not work that way. If you do not respect people, then they are not going to respect you. They are going to treat you the way you treat them.

You told me that you believed that Satan was responsible for faking the evidence for common descent with ERVs. How is asking you why he did it "mocking"?

I understand the various beliefs that various creationists have. (You have certain common beliefs, but also various differences. Some think God was responsible for common ERVs, for example.) You are all wrong. You have been shown that you are wrong. What I cannot understand is why you still cling to your beliefs.

I do not want you to believe evolution. I want you to examine the evidence for it objectively, and without prejudice and presupposition. But that seems to be too much to ask. Again, I have no idea why. Your psychology is totally impenetrable to me.

 

[dad]

Interesting, no DNA below the KT. your fantasy is worst than I thought.

Show us some then. Either you have or have not.