Elizabeth Warren announces 2020 run for president against Trump

[wing2000]

...oh she can't be President....I would miss seeing her dress down Bank CFO/CEO's

 

[LivingWordUnity]

Yes, I seem to recall that. And thankfully there is still some opposition from repubs. A historic amount, i’d say. Yet his base seems totally solid despite the warnings of so many Republican scholars and military leaders, even former presidents.

I'm glad Trump did not conform to the establishment. Like him or not, at least he's not a sell out. His supporters value him for that. People voted for Trump, and Trump was what we got. And I like how Trump is transparent unlike the Obama administration. Elizabeth Warren sold out to the establishment by endorsing Hillary Clinton. Bernie Sanders was the same.

 

[cow451]

I'm glad Trump did not conform to the establishment. Like him or not, at least he's not a sell out. His supporters value him for that. People voted for Trump, and Trump was what we got. And I like how Trump is transparent unlike the Obama administration. Elizabeth Warren sold out to the establishment by endorsing Hillary Clinton. Bernie Sanders was the same.

Trump is worse than a sell out. He is a grifter.
Grifter or Grafter? A New Parlor Game That Explains Trumpworld.

 

[RDKirk]

Do you have issues with white males and America (not Murica as you so cleverly stated) ?

I voted for Beto. So did my wife. And I encouraged lots of other people to vote for Beto.

 

[RDKirk]

I understand , but still racially undertone.
And the "Murica " was not funny .
Actually quite lame.

America is what it is. Obama got hit from both directions for standing in the middle of the road on race relations. A woman who tries to be a centrist going to suffer the same fate. I've said before that right now, Boomers are still fighting the culture wars of the 60s and 70s--and yes, those wars are from those years because largely Millennials ain't fighting them. At least, they're not really fighting each other over them, they're just caught up in their parents' war.

Right now, Boomers still control industry, media, and politics. The country runs on policies and laws that Boomers wrote, and the country still abides by the inherent prejudices within them.

For most of my life, I have thought we Boomers had been the transitional generation, that even though we had been born in racial apartheid and gender oppression, we'd overcome it. In the last ten years I've been proven wrong--we haven't departed from our upbringing. So we Boomers are going to fight these wars until we are dead.

Eventually, after we Boomers are dead and our influence diminishes, Millennials will clean up the laws and corporate policies as well. If they don't, the Zeds will.

 

[LivingWordUnity]

I voted for Beto. So did my wife. And I encouraged lots of other people to vote for Beto.

Isn't he basically a white version of Obama?

 

[USincognito]

I understand , but still racially undertone.
And the "Murica " was not funny .
Actually quite lame.

'Murica is always funny.

 

[ItIsFinished!]

'Murica is always funny.

Apparently not.
At best cheesey.

 

[RDKirk]

Isn't he basically a white version of Obama?

Well, heck, then, Robert Kennedy was basically a white version of Obama.

And Hubert Humphrey was basically a white version of Obama.

And John Kerry and Bob Kerry are both basically white versions of Obama.

Whenever his zipper was up, Bill Clinton was the white version of Obama.

And Diane Feinstein is the female white version of Obama.

 

[cow451]

Well, heck, then, Robert Kennedy was basically a white version of Obama.

And Hubert Humphrey was basically a white version of Obama.

And John Kerry and Bob Kerry are both basically white versions of Obama.

Whenever his zipper was up, Bill Clinton was the white version of Obama.

And Diane Feinstein is the female white version of Obama.

Can I play? And Kanye West was a Black version of Donald Trump and ... never mind. You win.

 

[Sparagmos]

Are you of the impression that America is better of now than it was 2 years ago? Sure some employment numbers are up, but that's about it. Certainly for the voters themselves most of them didn't get what they were promised.

Trump's tax breaks benefited only a small section of ultra-wealthy people. Trump's trade wars seems to be negatively impacting Americans. Several businesses have continued to offshore just as they planned to. The corporate tax breaks Trump offered went to record setting stock buy-backs which only serve to help the executives and traders mostly (a synthetic value increase for the company) and virtually no real new development which would have helped the working class.

Trump has been mired in scandal after scandal all of his own making. Like I said earlier: ever single negative point Trump raised about Hillary he and his team are undertaking with gusto themselves.



And how is it "rational" to vote based on personality when the data indicate that that vote will result in a bad result?

Sorry to be harsh on this, but that sounds irrational to me. I'm guilty of it myself. Sure, all people are. But that doesn't mean it is inherently rational to do so.



Are you saying that there is no way to assess "strategy" in any setting? Really? That sounds really weird. Do you then think that chess players are just rolling the dice and randomly moving?



Well, I have been watching politics rather closely for the last 40 or so years.



You mean they erred in choosing a Yale law graduate, seasoned, qualified, experienced politician with decades of government and legal experience?



I agree she was not the PERFECT candidate. But again how is it rational to vote for the most unqualified lying racist imaginable just because Hillary was kinda unpleasant?



I think I'm seeing the problem here. You want me to make my arguments and yours too. I'm sorry, I don't have that much time or interest.



Oh, I totally agree! It is very offputting. Doesn't change the facts of the matter, but it is very offputting. One gets more flies with honey than vinegar.

I just don't see the point in that end of the discussion here. I'm merely attempting to dispassionately point out the flaws in the opposite position.



Oh good! You've raised coal! A topic I know a wee bit about. Those jobs disappeared a long time ago because of AUTOMATION and very little to do with anything Obama or Hillary said or did. The coal jobs started to disappear back in the late 70's!

The rust belt became what it is NOT because Dems were so elitist...it became the rust belt because the executives who ran the companies realized they could exploit cheap labor and human resources overseas and still maintain their own paychecks if they got rid of those expensive Americans.

Those are the people that Trump just gave a bunch of tax breaks to. Just to be clear.

[qutoe]
It was more than unpleasantness that pushed them to the other side.

Great post.

And there’s also this:

A new study reveals the real reason Obama voters switched to Trump

 

[USincognito]

Apparently not.
At best cheesey.

Well. some apparently lack a sense of humor. That's their problem.

 

[Sparagmos]

...oh she can't be President....I would miss seeing her dress down Bank CFO/CEO's

YEAH LIZ!

 

[cow451]

Well. some apparently lack a sense of humor. That's their problem.

Muricans are really funny. Many people laugh at Muricans. You’d be surprised at the people laughing at Muricans. There are more people laughing about Muricans than under that Black guy... he’s only half Black you know ... who is really half White. Why does anybody wannabe half White? Why does Pocohantas wannabe a Redskin? They didn’t even make the playoffs! Losers!

 

[Sparagmos]

I'm glad Trump did not conform to the establishment. Like him or not, at least he's not a sell out. His supporters value him for that. People voted for Trump, and Trump was what we got. And I like how Trump is transparent unlike the Obama administration. Elizabeth Warren sold out to the establishment by endorsing Hillary Clinton. Bernie Sanders was the same.

But most of his cabinet and appointments have come from the “establishment.” Hasn’t he always been for sale to whomever would get him power? He switched from Hillary supporter to “lock her up,” and from non religious to friend of evangelicals. And he just dropped his healthcare promises and had no plan to make Mexico pay for the wall. He seems to not have been committed at all to those two things, since he didn’t have any kind of plan.

 

[USincognito]

Muricans are really funny. Many people laugh at Muricans. You’d be surprised at the people laughing at Muricans. There are more people laughing about Muricans than under that Black guy... he’s only half Black you know ... who is really half White. Why does anybody wannabe half White? Why does Pocohantas wannabe a Redskin? They didn’t even make the playoffs! Losers!

 

[RDKirk]

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Is that a bacon and cheese between two pieces of fried chicken or between two hash browns?

Not that it matters.

 

[USincognito]

Is that a bacon and cheese between two pieces of fried chicken or between two hash browns?

Not that it matters.

Two pieces of fried chicken breast.
Double Down (sandwich) - Wikipedia

It doesn't appear to be available now, but they do have a chicken and waffles sandwich.
KFC Country Locator

 

[Allandavid]

Two pieces of fried chicken breast.
Double Down (sandwich) - Wikipedia

It doesn't appear to be available now, but they do have a chicken and waffles sandwich.
KFC Country Locator

Good grief...!

That rates as food....?

 

[USincognito]

Good grief...!

That rates as food....?

On what planet does two chicken breasts, a few slices of cheese and a few slices of bacon with some mustard [not] constitute food.

Oh and...
Double Down (sandwich) - Wikipedia