Election & Predestination in Eastern Orthodoxy

[ArmyMatt]

I don't know why, but I imagine Lucifer has the same kind of personality as Elton John.

okay...?

 

[Humble_Disciple]

My own position on predestination and election might be closer to the Eastern Orthodox view than it is to the Calvinist view.

As election was understood for Israel in the Old Testament, election was for Israel as a whole, rather than individuals to salvation.

The New Testament term for the church "ekklesia," which is related to the English word "elect," was also used for the people of Israel in the Greek Septuagint.

The Corporate View of Election

 

[Lukaris]

I think these Bible verses can set up a framework of what we know of election & predestination in Orthodoxy.

Check:

Deuteronomy 29:29
Deuteronomy 30:12-20
Ezekiel 18:23, Ezekiel 18:4-9 & then read all of Ezekiel 18

Read John 3:16-21 notice while within the passages that there is room for our free will to come to the light. It is to the believer salvation is first & foremost but remember Deuteronomy 29:29 & consider Luke 6:31-37.

From this, I believe, a good summation is found in the 1st brief chapter of an ancient church manual called the Didache. Just read that for now since I have a long article from an Orthodox Bishop to throw at you ( so to say). What is a prominent feature of this going back from Deuteronomy to the Gospel is the 2 ways preaching ( of life & death). For the Didache see:

Didache. The Teaching of the Twelve Apostles (translation Roberts-Donaldson).

Here is an article on predestination from an Orthodox Bishop:

On Predestination

I hope this can be of help. God bless.

 

[Humble_Disciple]

Should one trust Old Calendarist sites like Orthodoxinfo as a reliable source of information? Is Orthodoxinfo schismatic?

 

[Lukaris]

Should one trust Old Calendarist sites like Orthodoxinfo as a reliable source of information? Is Orthodoxinfo schismatic?

They have a mostly legitimate resources within their archives; I believe I cited one that is sound.

 

[ArmyMatt]

Should one trust Old Calendarist sites like Orthodoxinfo as a reliable source of information? Is Orthodoxinfo schismatic?

they were schismatic, I don't think they are anymore.

 

[Lukaris]

they were schismatic, I don't think they are anymore.

The article I cited was originally published in Orthodox Life from Holy Trinity Monastery in Jordanville, NY ( ROCOR).

 

[Humble_Disciple]

The article I cited was originally published in Orthodox Life from Holy Trinity Monastery in Jordanville, NY ( ROCOR).

Was that during the time in which ROCOR was outside of union with the Moscow Patriarchate?

 

[Lukaris]

Was that during the time in which ROCOR was outside of union with the Moscow Patriarchate?

Outside, as far as I know, their theology was never called into question. I later saw the same article on a link to the Malankara Oriental Orthodox Church:

On Predestination, Bishop Elias Minatios, Sermons, Baselios Church Digital Library, Jacobite Church Ohio

So the article has shared understanding between Greek ( Russian, Antiochian, Serbian etc) & Oriental Orthodox Churches.

 

[prodromos]

Was that during the time in which ROCOR was outside of union with the Moscow Patriarchate?

ROCOR was never out of union with the Serbian or Greek Churches, so it would be a moot point.

 

[ArmyMatt]

ROCOR was never out of union with the Serbian or Greek Churches, so it would be a moot point.

Jerusalem as well

 

[ArmyMatt]

The article I cited was originally published in Orthodox Life from Holy Trinity Monastery in Jordanville, NY ( ROCOR).

that's not surprising

 

[Lukaris]

that's not surprising

I do not understand your post Father.

 

[ArmyMatt]

I do not understand your post Father.

it's not surprising that the article originated in a ROCOR journal

 

[Lukaris]

it's not surprising that the article originated in a ROCOR journal

Ok, thanks.

 

[ArmyMatt]

Ok, thanks.

no worries, sorry for being unclear

 

[Chesterton]

But bands that ask, is there gas in the car? Is there gas in the caaaaaaar?

Okay, this relates to election. If I recall, the song is about an outlaw escaping his due punishment. God creates the basic materials to make gasoline, but we have to make sure there's gas in the car. The gasoline represents...something, and ...I don't know. I'm not a Theologian.

 

[KisKatte]

This is a hard question for me as I do not agree with this teaching. Personally. I was also told as a child that if you die, you sleep until resurrection and then will be judged. I personally do not believe that also. I believe in the near death experiences of people, and that you fly immeadetly to God after death, like many modern orthodox priests believe also. It is not the problem for me that hell can be nearly eternal or severe suffering. It is question of principes. Eternity or not. And I know, not eternally. But very very long hell time.....

 

[Ceallaigh]

okay...?

This is one of the weirdest thread details I've ever seen. Perhaps a couple of vodka and tonics will set it on its feet again.

 

[ArmyMatt]

This is one of the weirdest thread details I've ever seen. Perhaps a couple of vodka and tonics will set it on its feet again.

what thread detail?