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Election & Predestination in Eastern Orthodoxy

Discussion in 'The Ancient Way - Eastern Orthodox' started by Humble_Disciple, Aug 3, 2021.

  1. Humble_Disciple

    Humble_Disciple Well-Known Member

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    Can you please help me to understand Eastern Orthodoxy's position on election and predestination? I am expecting that it will be very different from Calvinism, given that Calvinism was based on Augustinianism.
     
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  2. HTacianas

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    The Confession of Dositheus contains an explanation of predestination from the viewpoint of Orthodoxy. Its definition is generally accepted by the Orthodox Church:

    "We believe the most good God to have from eternity predestinated unto glory those whom He has chosen, and to have consigned unto condemnation those whom He has rejected; but not so that He would justify the one, and consign and condemn the other without cause. For that would be contrary to the nature of God, who is the common Father of all, and no respecter of persons, and would have all men to be saved, and to come to the knowledge of the truth {1 Timothy 2:4}. But since He foreknew the one would make a right use of their free-will, and the other a wrong, He predestinated the one, or condemned the other. And we understand the use of free-will thus, that the Divine and illuminating grace, and which we call preventing [or, prevenient] grace, being, as a light to those in darkness, by the Divine goodness imparted to all, to those that are willing to obey this — for it is of use only to the willing, not to the unwilling — and co-operate with it, in what it requires as necessary to salvation, there is consequently granted particular grace. This grace co-operates with us, and enables us, and makes us to persevere in the love of God, that is to say, in performing those good things that God would have us to do, and which His preventing grace admonishes us that we should do, justifies us, and makes us predestinated. But those who will not obey, and co-operate with grace; and, therefore, will not observe those things that God would have us perform, and that abuse in the service of Satan the free-will, which they have received of God to perform voluntarily what is good, are consigned to eternal condemnation."

    The Confession of Dositheus (Eastern Orthodox)
     
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  3. Humble_Disciple

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    Thank you. Are there any articles you could care, from an Eastern Orthodox perspective, against open theism?
     
  4. ArmyMatt

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    my Scripture professor would say that predestination is like if you follow the yellow brick road, you will end up in the Emerald City. and while you need to follow it, if you do, the destination is inescapable.
     
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  5. HTacianas

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    Open Theism is relatively new. Anything you're likely to find about it in the Orthodox Church would be in response to it. As far as I know there is no defined statement on it.
     
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  6. Humble_Disciple

    Humble_Disciple Well-Known Member

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    I'm not trying to proselytize or be argumentative, but open theism was taught in medieval Judaism:
    Open Theism in Medieval Judaism

    I'd be happy to see an Eastern Orthodox perspective on it.
     
  7. ArmyMatt

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    I can't think of any articles, but anything from the Semitic saints trounce the notion of open theism.
     
  8. HTacianas

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    I don't know if you are going to find anything that answers it directly. There are a whole lot of "isms" out there that simply aren't a part of Orthodoxy.
     
  9. gurneyhalleck1

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    Suddenly I’m in the mood for vintage Elton John? :sorry::sorry::sorry:

     
  10. ArmyMatt

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    haha! well done, Captain Fantastic.
     
  11. gurneyhalleck1

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    Mars ain’t no place to raise your kids, Father.

     
  12. ArmyMatt

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    haha, not gonna take the bait on this one dude
     
  13. FenderTL5

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    I hear it's quite cold there.
     
  14. ArmyMatt

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    the East then probably didn't encounter it all that much. our saints really didn't care about developments in other religions.
     
  15. gurneyhalleck1

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    Cold as….Hades ^_^

     
  16. gurneyhalleck1

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    What!? ^_^^_^:sorry::sorry::sorry::sorry:

     
  17. ArmyMatt

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    I saw where this was leading. Seinfeld, Star Wars....not gonna be on my toes for when you bring up Elton John.
     
  18. gurneyhalleck1

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    Awwww you’re no fun anymore!! I’m not much of an Elton fan.

    But bands that ask, is there gas in the car? Is there gas in the caaaaaaar?

    That’s my speed, baby!

     
  19. ArmyMatt

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    it's not that, haha, it's just that every time you have a fun comment, I am awaiting a Seinfeld or Star Wars rabbit trail.

    those are awesome, but a lot.
     
  20. TheLostCoin

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    I don't know why, but I imagine Lucifer has the same kind of personality as Elton John.

     
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