Election, Arminian style

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Brian Abasciano has provided a very helpful explanation of two ways that Arminians have understood election:

By way of summary, there are two different views of election conditioned on faith. First, individual election is the classic view, in which God individually chose each believer based upon his foreknowledge of each one’s faith and so predestined each to eternal life. Second, corporate election is the main alternative view, holding that election to salvation is primarily of the Church as a people and embraces individuals only in faith-union with Christ the Chosen One and as members of his people. Moreover, since the election of the individual derives from the election of Christ and the corporate people of God, individuals become elect when they believe and remain elect only as long as they believe. Conditional election is supported in Scripture by (see the above discussion for explanation): (1) direct statement; (2) salvation being by faith; (3) various expressions of elect status being by faith; (4) the presentation of election as based on God’s foreknowledge, whether that be of human faith or equivalent to the prior choice of Christ and/or the people of God as a corporate body that individuals participate in by faith; (5) election being “in Christ,” which is a state that is itself conditional on faith; (6) the language of election being applied only to believers and not unbelievers who would later believe; (7) God’s desire for the salvation of all; (8) the provision of atonement for all; (9) the issuing of the gospel call to all; (10) the drawing of all toward faith in Christ; (11) human free will (for numbers 7-11, see “Atonement for All” and “Freed to Believe” above); and (12) numerous warnings against forsaking the faith and thereby forfeiting elect status and its blessing of salvation.

The doctrine of conditional election centers election on Christ by making it conditional on union with him rather than reducing Christ’s role to being the means by which election is accomplished. Moreover, conditional election underscores God’s gracious initiative in salvation towards totally depraved people and encourages humility and worship at the amazing grace of God in choosing those who deserve Hell for adoption into his family, salvation, and every spiritual blessing, a free gift received by faith (the non-meritorious condition for election) at the greatest cost to God, who sacrificed his own Son to be able to choose us, and at the greatest cost to Jesus Christ, who died for us so that we could be chosen by God. All praise and glory to God alone!

The whole article can be read here.
 
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Or "corporate" election?

As the author writes:

The non-traditional Arminian view of election is known as corporate election. It observes that the election of God’s people in the Old Testament was a consequence of the choice of an individual who represented the group, the corporate head and representative. In other words, the group was elected in the corporate head, that is, as a consequence of its association with this corporate representative (Gen 15:18; 17:7-10, 19; 21:12; 24:7; 25:23; 26:3-5; 28:13-15; Deut 4:37; 7:6-8; 10:15; Mal 1:2-3). Moreover, individuals (such as Rahab and Ruth) who were not naturally related to the corporate head could join the chosen people and thereby share in the covenant head’s and elect people’s identity, history, election, and covenant blessings. There was a series of covenant heads in the Old Testament—Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and the choice of each new covenant head brought a new definition of God’s people based on the identity of the covenant head (in addition to the references earlier in this paragraph, see Rom 9:6-13). Finally, Jesus Christ came as the head of the New Covenant (Rom 3-4; 8; Gal 3-4; Heb 9:15; 12:24)—he is the Chosen One (Mark 1:11; 9:7; 12:6; Luke 9:35; 20:13; 23:35; Eph 1:6; Col 1:13; and numerous references to Jesus as the Christ/Messiah)—and anyone united to him comes to share in his identity, history, election, and covenant blessings (we become co-heirs with Christ – Rom 8:16-17; cf. Gal 3:24-29). Thus, election is “in Christ” (Eph 1:4), a consequence of union with him by faith. Just as God’s people in the Old Covenant were chosen in Jacob/Israel, so God’s people in the New Covenant are chosen in Christ.

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Paul’s olive tree metaphor in Rom 11:17-24 gives an excellent picture of the corporate election perspective. The olive tree represents the chosen people of God. But individuals get grafted into the elect people and participate in election and its blessings by faith or get cut off from God’s chosen people and their blessings because of unbelief.The focus of election is the corporate people of God with individuals participating in election by means of their participation (through faith) in the elect group, which spans salvation history. Ephesians 2:11-22 similarly attests that Gentiles who believe in Christ are in him made to be part of the commonwealth of Israel, fellow citizens with the saints, members of God’s household, and possessors of the covenants of promise (2:11-22; note especially vv. 12, 19).

While agreeing that God knows the future, including who will believe, the corporate election perspective would tend to understand the references to foreknowledge in Rom 8:29 and 1 Pet 1:1-2 as referring to a relational prior knowing that amounts to previously acknowledging or recognizing or embracing or choosing people as belonging to God (i.e., in covenant relationship/partnership). The Bible sometimes mentions this type of knowledge, such as when Jesus speaks of those who never truly submit to his lordship: “And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness’” (Matt 7:23; cf. Gen 18:19; Jer 1:5; Hos 13:4-5; Amos 3:2; 1 Cor 8:3). On this view, to be chosen according to foreknowledge would mean to be chosen because of the prior election of Christ and the corporate people of God in him. “Those [plural] whom he foreknew” in Rom 8:29 would refer to the Church as a corporate body and their election in Christ as well as their identity as the legitimate continuation of the historic chosen covenant people of God, which individual believers share in by faith-union with Christ and membership in his people. Such a reference is akin to statements in Scripture spoken to Israel about God choosing them in the past (i.e., foreknowing them), an election that the contemporary generation being addressed shared in (e.g., Deut 4:37; 7:6-7; 10:15; 14:2; Isaiah 41:8-9; 44:1-2; Amos 3:2). In every generation, Israel could be said to have been chosen. The Church now shares in that election through Christ, the covenant head and mediator (Rom 11:17-24; Eph 2:11-22).

Similarly, to be chosen in Christ before the foundation of the world would refer to sharing in Christ’s election that took place before the foundation of the world (1 Pet 1:20). Because Christ embodies and represents his people, it can be said that his people were chosen when he was just as it could be said that the nation of Israel was in the womb of Rebekah before its existence because Jacob was (Gen. 25:23) and that God loved/chose Israel by loving/choosing Jacob before the nation of Israel ever existed (Mal. 1:2-3) and that Levi paid tithes to Melchizedek in Abraham before Levi existed (Heb. 7:9-10) and that the church died, rose, and was seated with Christ before the Church ever existed (Eph 2:5-6; cf. Col. 2:11-14; Rom 6:1-14) and that we (the Church) are seated in the heavenlies in Christ when we are not literally yet in Heaven but Christ is. Christ’s election entails the election of those who are united to him, and so our election can be said to have taken place when his did, even before we were actually united to him. This is somewhat similar to how I, as an American, can say that we (America) won the Revolutionary War before I or any American alive today was ever born.
 
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Where does scripture talk about foreknowledge of faith?
Good question, and simple answer:

1 Pet 1:1,2 - 1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who reside as aliens, scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, who are chosen 2 according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, by the sanctifying work of the Spirit, to obey Jesus Christ and be sprinkled with His blood: May grace and peace be yours in the fullest measure.

While the word "faith" isn't included here, it should be obvious that those Peter was addressing were chosen because of God's foreknowledge. Not real difficult. So, the only question is this: foreknowledge of WHAT, exactly? So, what else, other than faith?

It cannot be denied that Peter acknowledged that his audience was chosen according to the foreknowledge of God.
 
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Or "corporate" election?
Another great question, with another simple answer:

Eph 1:4 - just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him. In love

The question here is who the "us" refers to. Paul clearly defined exactly who he meant by "us" in Eph 1:19 - and what is the surpassing greatness of His power toward us who believe. These are in accordance with the working of the strength of His might

From this we can put the word "believers" in 1:4. "He chose believers". This would be a corporate election. He chose ALL believers, not just some believers. In this sense, election is unconditional; God has chosen every believer to be holy and blameless (the purpose of this election, not salvation as commonly thought and taught in reformed theology).

The parenthetical phrase "in Him" simply defines the positional truth regarding all believers, who have been placed "in Him". We know this from Paul's explanation found in 1:13 - In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise

The verse begins with the fact that all believers are "in Him", union with Christ. Then Paul explains how that occurs; "after listening to the gospel (message of truth), having also believed (the gospel), all believers ARE SEALED IN HIM".
 
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R. C. Sproul says:
They say there is nothing more obnoxious than a converted drunk. Try a converted Arminian. Converted Arminians tend to become flaming Calvinists, zealous for the cause of predestination.
Such a statement suggests that Arminians aren't saved until they convert to Calvinism. I'm not defending them but this is how I take the statement.

For those who are Calvinists, how would any of them like the statement that "converted Calvinists tend to become flaming Arminians"??

The reason Sproul speaks of “converted Arminians” is due both to his personal conversion from Arminianism to Calvinism and to the widespread and errant view held by Calvinists that all non-Calvinist Evangelicals are by definition Arminian in their theological convictions.
A poor choice of words to describe his change from Arminianism to Calvinism. The word "convert" should only be used in the sense of becoming saved. Not a change of denomination or theological position. It would be more accurate to say that he apostatized from Arminianism to Calvinism, just as the other way as well.
 
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Good question, and simple answer:

1 Pet 1:1,2 - 1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who reside as aliens, scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, who are chosen 2 according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, by the sanctifying work of the Spirit, to obey Jesus Christ and be sprinkled with His blood: May grace and peace be yours in the fullest measure.

While the word "faith" isn't included here, it should be obvious that those Peter was addressing were chosen because of God's foreknowledge. Not real difficult. So, the only question is this: foreknowledge of WHAT, exactly? So, what else, other than faith?

It cannot be denied that Peter acknowledged that his audience was chosen according to the foreknowledge of God.
Even though the word isn't there, you just add it to support your theology. Hey, if that works for you...
 
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Even though the word isn't there, you just add it to support your theology. Hey, if that works for you...
My explanation was quite satisfactory. However, if it wasn't clear enough, please ask and I will be more than happy to clarify what wasn't understood.

However, I did ask the question, if by "according to the foreknowledge of God" didn't include faith, then what did it refer to?

Able to answer that?
 
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My explanation was quite satisfactory. However, if it wasn't clear enough, please ask and I will be more than happy to clarify what wasn't understood.

However, I did ask the question, if by "according to the foreknowledge of God" didn't include faith, then what did it refer to?

Able to answer that?
It was clear. It was clear that you added to scripture.

And according to the foreknowledge of God means according to God's foreknowledge. Pretty basic.
 
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It was clear. It was clear that you added to scripture.

And according to the foreknowledge of God means according to God's foreknowledge. Pretty basic.
The obvious question is: foreknowledge of WHAT, exactly? Do you have an answer to share to the forum?

And, what is claimed to be "pretty basic" fails to explain anything. It's just a repetition of words.

So, again; foreknowledge of WHAT, exactly?
 
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The obvious question is: foreknowledge of WHAT, exactly? Do you have an answer to share to the forum?

And, what is claimed to be "pretty basic" fails to explain anything. It's just a repetition of words.

So, again; foreknowledge of WHAT, exactly?
It's not WHAT. It's WHO. That's what the verse says. Don't read your tradition into it.
 
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Good question, and simple answer:

1 Pet 1:1,2 - 1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who reside as aliens, scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, who are chosen 2 according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, by the sanctifying work of the Spirit, to obey Jesus Christ and be sprinkled with His blood: May grace and peace be yours in the fullest measure.

While the word "faith" isn't included here, it should be obvious that those Peter was addressing were chosen because of God's foreknowledge. Not real difficult. So, the only question is this: foreknowledge of WHAT, exactly? So, what else, other than faith?

It cannot be denied that Peter acknowledged that his audience was chosen according to the foreknowledge of God.

This is exactly what Scripture reveals. In the KJB it is "elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father". The purpose of Divine election and predestination is not salvation but glorification and perfection (Rom 8:29,30). Election for salvation would be contrary to Scripture, since anyone and everyone ("whosoever") is invited to be saved and commanded to repent.

Christians generally seem to forget that God the Holy Spirit chooses His words very carefully and precisely, therefore we do not find in Scripture "elect according to the eternal decree of God the Father". Instead we find "For whom He did FOREKNOW, He also did predestinate TO BE CONFORMED TO THE IMAGE OF HIS SON..." (Rom 8:29).
 
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I know your fondness of splitting hairs, and playing word games. So, foreknowledge of WHO, then.
What does it say? "..the elect exiles..."
 
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This is exactly what Scripture reveals. In the KJB it is "elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father". The purpose of Divine election and predestination is not salvation but glorification and perfection (Rom 8:29,30). Election for salvation would be contrary to Scripture, since anyone and everyone ("whosoever") is invited to be saved and commanded to repent.

Christians generally seem to forget that God the Holy Spirit chooses His words very carefully and precisely, therefore we do not find in Scripture "elect according to the eternal decree of God the Father". Instead we find "For whom He did FOREKNOW, He also did predestinate TO BE CONFORMED TO THE IMAGE OF HIS SON..." (Rom 8:29).
Right. And those He foreknew (notice that it's talking about those He foreknew, not those He foreknew things about), He predestined to be conformed. And then what does it say? Those He predestined (remember, to be conformed), He called. It doesn't say He called everyone. And what happens to those who are called? They are justified. And the justified are Glorified . That's salvation.
 
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This is exactly what Scripture reveals. In the KJB it is "elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father". The purpose of Divine election and predestination is not salvation but glorification and perfection (Rom 8:29,30). Election for salvation would be contrary to Scripture, since anyone and everyone ("whosoever") is invited to be saved and commanded to repent.

Christians generally seem to forget that God the Holy Spirit chooses His words very carefully and precisely, therefore we do not find in Scripture "elect according to the eternal decree of God the Father". Instead we find "For whom He did FOREKNOW, He also did predestinate TO BE CONFORMED TO THE IMAGE OF HIS SON..." (Rom 8:29).
:amen: :oldthumbsup:
 
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Right. And those He foreknew (notice that it's talking about those He foreknew, not those He foreknew things about)
So, just to be clear here, God knows people, but not so much about "things about" them?? Huh?

He predestined to be conformed. And then what does it say? Those He predestined (remember, to be conformed), He called. It doesn't say He called everyone.
So? We know the call goes out to more than just what reformed theology calls the "elect": Matt 22:14 - “For many are called, but few are chosen.” So much for your idea that only believers are called. Of course they are called. But Matt 22:14 indicates that more than the elect are called.

And what happens to those who are called? They are justified. And the justified are Glorified . That's salvation.
The first question is fallacious. It's not those called. It's those predestined. And only believers are justified.
 
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The predestined are called and justified. Every last one of them. When Matt 22 is introduced, I know the opposition has lost and is grasping at straws. No need to continue since they are willingly deceived. Hopefully God will open their eyes to the truth.
 
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