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Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved.
A sure sign of your salvation is that you believe in Christ.
Because God has done a work in you.
He never just leaves you there though, you will continue to believe and learn of His ways.
He will discipline you also if you are His, if you commit sins, but He will never leave or forsake you in Spirit. God's grace and Love is expressed towards US, so this is active not a passive thing.

You are kept by the power of God through faith for salvation ready to be shown at the last time.
Meaning at the end of the age, on the Last Day, Christ will raise you up in the age of the resurrection to live forever with Him.

God manifests His power in you by giving you the gift of faithfulness, this is one of the gifts of the Spirit.

1 Peter 1

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His abundant mercy has begotten us again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 to an inheritance incorruptible and undefiled and that does not fade away, reserved in heaven for you, 5 who are kept by the power of God through faith for salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.


http://biblehub.com/commentaries/calvin/2_thessalonians/2.htm
2 Thessalonians 2:13-14

13. But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

13. Nos autem debemus gratias agere Deo semper de vobis, fratres dilecti a Domino, quia elegit vos Deus ab initio in salutem, in sanctificatione Spiritus, et fide veritatis:

14. Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

14. Quo vocavit vos per evangelium nostrum, in possessionem gloriae (vel, gloriosam) Domini nostri Iesu Christi.



13 But we are bound to give thanks. He now separates more openly the Thessalonians from the reprobate, that their faith may not waver from fear of the revolt that was to take place. At the same time, he had it in view to consult, not their welfare only, but also that of posterity. [684] And he does not merely confirm them that they may not fall over the same precipice with the world, but by this comparison he extols the more the grace of God towards them, in that, while they see almost the whole world hurried forward to death at the same time, as if by a violent tempest, they are, by the hand of God, maintained in a quiet and secure condition of life. [685] Thus we must contemplate the Judgments of God upon the reprobate in such a way that they may be, as it were, mirrors to us for considering his mercy towards us. For we must draw this conclusion, that it is owing solely to the singular grace of God that we do not miserably perish with them.

He calls them beloved of the Lord, for this reason, that they may the better consider that the sole reason why they are exempted from the almost universal overthrow of the world, was because God exercised towards them unmerited love. Thus Moses admonished the Jews --

"God did not elevate you so magnificently because ye were more powerful than others, or were numerous, but because he loved your fathers." (Deuteronomy 7:7-8.)

For, when we hear the term love, that statement of John must immediately occur to our mind -- Not that we first loved him. (1 John 4:19.) In short, Paul here does two things; for he confirms faith, lest the pious should give way from being overcome with fear, and he exhorts them to gratitude, that they may value so much the higher the mercy of God towards them.

Hath chosen you. He states the reason why all are not involved and swallowed up in the same ruin -- because Satan has no power over any that God has chosen, so as to prevent them from being saved, though heaven and earth were to be confounded. This passage is read in various ways.

The old interpreter has rendered it first-fruits, [686] as being in the Greek aparchen; but as almost all the Greek manuscripts have ap' archos, I have in preference followed this reading. Should any one prefer first-fruits, the meaning will be, that believers have been, as it were, set aside for a sacred offering, by a metaphor taken from the ancient custom of the law. Let us, however, hold by what is more generally received, that he says that the Thessalonians were chosen from the beginning

Some understand the meaning to be, that they had been called among the first; but this is foreign to Paul's meaning, and does not accord with the connection of the passage. For he does not merely exempt from fear a few individuals, who had been led to Christ immediately on the commencement of the gospel, but this consolation belongs to all the elect of God, without exception. When, therefore, he says from the beginning, he means that there is no danger lest their salvation, which is founded on God's eternal election, should be overthrown, whatever tumultuous changes may occur. "However Satan may mix and confound all things in the world, your salvation, notwithstanding, has been placed on a footing of safety, prior to the creation of the world." Here, therefore, is the true port of safety, that God, who elected us of old, [687] will deliver us from all the evils that threaten us. For we are elected to salvation; we shall, therefore, be safe from destruction. But as it is not for us to penetrate into God's secret counsel, to seek there assurance of our salvation, he specifies signs or tokens of election, which should suffice us for the assurance of it.

In sanctification of the spirit, says he, and belief of the truth. This may be explained in two ways, with sanctification, or by sanctification. It is not of much importance which of the two you select, as it is certain [688] that Paul meant simply to introduce, in connection with election, those nearer tokens which manifest to us what is in its own nature incomprehensible, and are conjoined with it by an indissoluble tie. Hence, in order that we may know that we are elected by God, there is no occasion to inquire as to what he decreed before the creation of the world, but we find in ourselves a satisfactory proof if he has sanctified us by his Spirit, -- if he has enlightened us in the faith of his gospel. For the gospel is an evidence to us of our adoption, and the Spirit seals it, and those that are led by the Spirit are the sons of God, (Romans 8:14,) and he who by faith possesses Christ has everlasting life. (1 John 5:12.) These things must be carefully observed, lest, overlooking the revelation of God's will, with which he bids us rest satisfied, we should plunge into a profound labyrinth from a desire to take it from his secret counsel, from the investigation of which he draws us aside. Hence it becomes us to rest satisfied with the faith of the gospel, and that grace of the Spirit by which we have been regenerated. And by this means is refuted the wickedness [689] of those who make the election of God a pretext for every kind of iniquity, while Paul connects it with faith and regeneration in such a manner, that he would not have it judged of by us on any other grounds.

14 To which he called us. He repeats the same thing, though in somewhat different terms. For the sons of God are not called otherwise than to the belief of the truth. Paul, however, meant to shew here how competent a witness he is for confirming that thing of which he was a minister. He accordingly puts himself forward as a surety, that the Thessalonians may not doubt that the gospel, in which they had been instructed by him, is the safety-bringing voice of God, by which they are aroused from death, and are delivered from the tyranny of Satan. He calls it his gospel, not as though it had originated with him, [690] but inasmuch as the preaching of it had been committed to him.

What he adds, to the acquisition or possession of the glory of Christ, may be taken either in an active or in a passive signification -- either as meaning, that they are called in order that they may one day possess a glory in common with Christ, or that Christ acquired them with a view to his glory. And thus it will be a second means of confirmation that he will defend them, as being nothing less than his own inheritance, and, in maintaining their salvation, will stand forward in defense of his own glory; which latter meaning, in my opinion, suits better.

Footnotes:

[684] "Mais aussi pour les autres fideles, qui viendroyent apres;" -- "But also for other believers, who should come after."

[685] "En vn estat ferme et paisible, qui mene a la vie;" -- "In a secure and peaceable condition, which leads to life."

[686] Primitias. Wiclif (1380) following, as he is wont, the reading of the Vulgate, renders it "the first fruytis."

[687] "Des le commencement;" -- "From the beginning."

[688] "S. Paul ne vent autre chose, sinon apres auoir parl? de l'election de Dieu, adiouster maintenant des signes plus prochains qui nous la manifestent;" -- "St. Paul means simply, after having spoken of the election of God, to add now those nearer tokens which manifest it to us."

[689] "La meschancete horrible;" -- "The horrible wickedness."

[690] "Non pas qu'il soit creu en son cerueau;" -- "Not as though it had been contrived in his brain."

I do believe in Christ. In fact, I felt that Holy Spirit was calling to my soul to accept Him.
 
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When you are born again John 3:3 you are elect , because you are elected out of this world to not be in this world but the world to come .

John 17:6
John 17:9 ( Jesus is not praying for the world o_O but for us out of the world )
John 17:11 ( we are still in world for now )
John 17:14 ( we are not of this world )
John 17:15 ( we need to endure this world untill our job is finished)

This is our job Mark 16:15
 
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People chosen from the beginning for salvation are elect.
And Paul teaches this as a great comfort as it is most certain.
He gives us this good hope by grace, so that hope should be most certain in your heart. He did this from the beginning of time, before the foundation of the world,

2 Thessalonians 2
13 But we are bound to give thanks to God always for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God from the beginning chose you for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth, 14 to which He called you by our gospel, for the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. 15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast and hold the traditions which you were taught, whether by word or our epistle.

16 Now may our Lord Jesus Christ Himself, and our God and Father, who has loved us and given us everlasting consolation and good hope by grace, 17 comfort your hearts and establish you in every good word and work.
 
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All elect must believe and be sealed, that is true.
Not true. Judas was chosen along with the 11, yet never believed, nor was sealed.
John 6:70 - Then Jesus replied, “Have I not chosen you, the Twelve? Yet one of you is a devil!”

You are elect before you are born again, if you are saved you were elect to be saved beforehand by God.
God chose us in Him before we were born, that is we were elected to become the saved.
Don't make the mistake of thinking Eph 1:4 means "God chose us 'to be' in Him" because the purpose clause comes later:
"For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight."

He chose us to be holy and blameless. Not for salvation. Just as we (believers) may be holy and blameless:
1 Thess 3:13 - May he strengthen your hearts so that you will be blameless and holy in the presence of our God and Father when our Lord Jesus comes with all his holy ones.

All His people are elected and serve God, there are no believers who do not serve God.
Not true. The believer's heart must be strengthened SO THAT they will be blameless and holy. It isn't guaranteed, nor automatic.

You are correct about election being about service, but the Bible gives many examples of believers who didn't serve God. Ananias and Sapphira are just 2 of them.
 
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People chosen from the beginning for salvation are elect.

2 Thessalonians 2
13 But we are bound to give thanks to God always for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God from the beginning chose you for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth, 14 to which He called you by our gospel, for the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. 15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast and hold the traditions which you were taught, whether by word or our epistle.
Another misunderstood verse (v.13). What it's saying is that the method of salvation was chosen by God. "chose you for salvation through". 2 things are the method.
1. sanctification by the Spirit
2. belief in the truth.

These are methods by which we are saved.

The verse doesn't say that God chose us to believe.
 
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When you accept Christ and repent you will be born again, correct?
The reason you believe and are saved is because God has begotten you again first.

Jesus said, you can not even perceive the kingdom of God until you are born again. Meaning you will not know Jesus Christ as God come in the flesh to save you from your sins.

John 3New King James Version (NKJV)
The New Birth
3 There was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews. 2 This man came to Jesus by night and said to Him, “Rabbi, we know that You are a teacher come from God; for no one can do these signs that You do unless God is with him.”

3 Jesus answered and said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”

That word see, εἴδω in Greek, is here defined in this way.
Genesis 1:1 (KJV)

So you should 'see' then, that you can not believe and be saved unless first born of God.
  1. to see
    1. to perceive with the eyes

    2. to perceive by any of the senses

    3. to perceive, notice, discern, discover

    4. to see
      1. i.e. to turn the eyes, the mind, the attention to anything

      2. to pay attention, observe

      3. to see about something
        1. i.e. to ascertain what must be done about it
      4. to inspect, examine

      5. to look at, behold
    5. to experience any state or condition

    6. to see i.e. have an interview with, to visit
  2. to know
    1. to know of anything

    2. to know, i.e. get knowledge of, understand, perceive
      1. of any fact

      2. the force and meaning of something which has definite meaning

      3. to know how, to be skilled in
    3. to have regard for one, cherish, pay attention to (1Th. 5:12)
 
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The reason you believe and are saved is because God has begotten you again first.
The claim that one is regenerated before they believe is not found in Scripture. Only in Calvinist writings.

Eph 2:5 - made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions—it is by grace you have been saved.

The first phrase, "made us alive with Christ" is further explained by the last phrase, "it is by grace you have been saved".

iow, to be 'made alive', which is regeneration or being born again, is equivalent to 'have been saved'. So, to be born again or to be regenerated is to be saved.

Can't have one without the other. They do not occur alone.

Eph 2:8 - For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—

This verse explains the means of being saved, which is "through faith".

This clearly shows that salivation is through faith. iow, to be saved, one must believe.

So, these 2 verses show that faith precedes salvation, not the other way around.

Paul stated it this way in 1 Cor 1:21 - For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe.

[QUOTEJesus said, you can not even perceive the kingdom of God until you are born again.[/QUOTE]
No He didn't say that at all.

John 3:3-5
3 Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.”
4 “How can someone be born when they are old?” Nicodemus asked. “Surely they cannot enter a second time into their mother’s womb to be born!”
5 Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit.

Your opinion comes from v.3, in your understanding of "see".

However, look at Nicodemus's response in v.4. He wanted to know how to ENTER back into the womb in order to be born again.

And Jesus' response; "no one can ENTER the kingdom of God unless they are born again".

So, the word "see" in v.3 and "enter" in v.5 are saying the SAME THING.

Let's consider a building. How does one perceive or see the inside of it? By ENTERING into it.

That's what Jesus meant.

The kingdom of God is seen, understood only by entering it. How does one enter the kingdom of God? Through faith.
 
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That's irrelevant, He wasn't talking to us. He was talking to those Jews that were there. You're taking a statement that was made in history and applying it universally which is unwarranted.
Then you are NOT one of the branches in the vine. If the statement, "You have not chosen me, but I have chosen you" doesn't apply, then the statement, "I am the vine and you are the branches doesn't apply."

Oops! Didn't think that through did you? Lol.
 
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One must prove that to believe in Him isn't a choice.

Here's some evidence to help one understand:
Acts 14:2 - But the Jews who refused to believe stirred up the other Gentiles and poisoned their minds against the brothers.
Acts 19:9 - But some of them became obstinate; they refused to believe and publicly maligned the Way. So Paul left them. He took the disciples with him and had discussions daily in the lecture hall of Tyrannus.
I said that there is no biblical evidence that says that we chose him too. Please provide evidence from scripture which says that we chose him too.
 
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I said that there is no biblical evidence that says that we chose him too. Please provide evidence from scripture which says that we chose him too.
The Bible speaks of believing in Christ from our heart for salvation. Our heart is our intelligence, where we make decisions.

Do you believe everything you hear see or read? Of course not. You use your noggin and decide what is believable or not.

God has revealed Himself, His power and attributes so that no one has any excuse for not acknowledging that, from Rom 1:19-20.

So when God's plan is presented to someone, they have no excuse to understand that it is from God Himself. So when a person decides that God doesn't exist, that's their own decision.

Cornelius is a great example of a person who did recognize that God existed, and was thankful, as Rom 1 says. He made the right choice. He believed in God and believed what the angel told him. Being in the "Italian regiment", he could just as well have dismissed the vision of the angel as being from a bad pizza or something else he might have eaten. But he didn't.

There are no verses that speak of God being the cause of anyone believing in Him. God has revealed Himself, but man is free to either believe in what God has revealed, or not believe it.

Regarding your request, the whole idea of "choosing" is related to election, which is an appointment or commission. So of course we don't appoint or commission God in anything. But we do decide (choose) what we believe. But that isn't an election.
 
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The Bible speaks of believing in Christ from our heart for salvation. Our heart is our intelligence, where we make decisions.

Do you believe everything you hear see or read? Of course not. You use your noggin and decide what is believable or not.

God has revealed Himself, His power and attributes so that no one has any excuse for not acknowledging that, from Rom 1:19-20.

So when God's plan is presented to someone, they have no excuse to understand that it is from God Himself. So when a person decides that God doesn't exist, that's their own decision.

Cornelius is a great example of a person who did recognize that God existed, and was thankful, as Rom 1 says. He made the right choice. He believed in God and believed what the angel told him. Being in the "Italian regiment", he could just as well have dismissed the vision of the angel as being from a bad pizza or something else he might have eaten. But he didn't.

There are no verses that speak of God being the cause of anyone believing in Him. God has revealed Himself, but man is free to either believe in what God has revealed, or not believe it.

Regarding your request, the whole idea of "choosing" is related to election, which is an appointment or commission. So of course we don't appoint or commission God in anything. But we do decide (choose) what we believe. But that isn't an election.
Please provide a SCRIPTURE which EXPLICITLY says that we chose him too. "You have NOT chosen me, but I have chosen you."

And where did you get the notion that Cornelius didn't believe that God existed? Luke the narrator tells us that Cornelius was a man who had "feared God" BEFORE the angel had even appeared to him. Yet you reach and grab for something from Romans 1 which has nothing to do with Cornelius. And the angel himself acknowledged that God had accepted Cornelius's charitable acts. And the Holy Spirit sent three men to Peter and they told him that Cornelius was a "just man who feared God."

1. The narrator tells us that Cornelius feared God.
2. The angel of God assured Cornelius that God had accepted his charitable acts
3. Three men who were commissioned by the Holy Spirit to send for Peter told him that Cornelius was a just man who feared God.

Yet you just grab something from Romans 1 about Cornelius that ain't there and tell us that Cornelius didn't believe that God existed.

Wow man!
 
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Please provide a SCRIPTURE which EXPLICITLY says that we chose him too. "You have NOT chosen me, but I have chosen you."
I've already explained that believing in ANYTHING is a choice. No one is forced to decide anything. Your request is ridiculous.

And where did you get the notion that Cornelius didn't believe that God existed?
Oh, good grief!! Didn't you read my post? I was clear about the FACT that he DID believe that God existed. Which is why he prayed continually and gave alms.

Luke the narrator tells us that Cornelius was a man who had "feared God" BEFORE the angel had even appeared to him.
That's correct. He knew that God existed, from what God has revealed to everyone, per Rom 1:19-20.

Yet you reach and grab for something from Romans 1 which has nothing to do with Cornelius.
Poppycock.

And the angel himself acknowledged that God had accepted Cornelius's charitable acts.
As I noted, but you failed to read.

And the Holy Spirit sent three men to Peter and they told him that Cornelius was a "just man who feared God."
And he STILL needed to be saved. Acts 11:14

1. The narrator tells us that Cornelius feared God.
2. The angel of God assured Cornelius that God had accepted his charitable acts
3. Three men who were commissioned by the Holy Spirit to send for Peter told him that Cornelius was a just man who feared God.

Yet you just grab something from Romans 1 about Cornelius that ain't there and tell us that Cornelius didn't believe that God existed.
This is just pitiful. But expected when one fails to even read a post before responding to it.
 
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Then you are NOT one of the branches in the vine. If the statement, "You have not chosen me, but I have chosen you" doesn't apply, then the statement, "I am the vine and you are the branches doesn't apply."

Oops! Didn't think that through did you? Lol.

That's correct. When Jesus said, " I am the vine and you are the branches," He was talking to the disciples, not me, not you, nor any Christian today. Again, you're taking the statement out of context. To apply the statement to people today is unwarranted.

Paul wrote to the Corinthian Christians and told them that they were carnal and not Spiritual. Do you also apply that to today's Christians? If not, why? If you're going to be consistent you have to.
 
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Romans 11:18-21New King James Version (NKJV)
18 do not boast against the branches. But if you do boast, remember that you do not support the root, but the root supports you.

19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in.” 20 Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either.
 
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