El Paso border fence cut crime dramatically

[childeye 2]

Most of the Border Patrol supports having a wall

Most of the people I know in San Diego support having a wall.

Thus, we have this house support the wall.



Good enough.

M-Bob

Respectfully, you're missing the point. Erecting a barrier to prevent illegal border entry has never been an issue of contention as much as what the barrier should consist of as pertains to what is reasonably sustainable and most effective. This is easily proven by the fact that the congress passed the secure fence act with bipartisan support.

So when you repeat the same Trump statement that 'the border patrol is for a wall', you engage in the same disinformation he does, presenting a false premise that there is a battle over whether or not there should be a barrier and creating a strawman argument.

Examine the President's words. If you do, you will notice that he began by describing the building of a beautiful impenetrable wall all along the southern border. His supporters were in awe as they imagined this great wall to replace the border fence that was built. But the reality is that the wall the President was describing was not even practical, and the President had to be educated as to why the current border fence design was more efficient by the same border patrol experts that the President now claims support from, only through parsing words, as in being for "a wall', or "a barrier of some kind", or "call it whatever you like".

In other words, the President's original vision was shown to be impractical, unnecessary, and a waste of money and resources. Since he is too proud to admit that, he is now willing to shutdown the government claiming the Democrats are against border security, in order to save face with his supporters and keep them believing in a problem he concocted that does not even exist.

Question does the wall help to keep out some of the bad element?

No. Sin is a phenomenon occurring in all of mankind on both sides of the border, and it is a spiritual battle that no physical wall can keep out. The mere belief that the bad people are on the other side of the border is a lie that fosters evil thoughts.​

 

[Mountainmanbob]

Fences are good.
Some better than walls.
All in for anything and
everything that slows them down.
M-Bob

 

[childeye 2]

Fences are good.
Some better than walls.
All in for anything and
everything that slows them down.
M-Bob

As pertains to people legitimately hoping to find asylum in the United States, this would not be applicable. As for those who would seek to abuse our goodwill, it is appropriate.

Unfortunately, our President is promoting inhumane policies based on purposely conflating the two. Hence the psycho semantics in his words reveal his prejudice even as his actions with the courts reveal his true motives when trying to skirt the laws designed to ensure honorable and humane treatment concerning asylum seekers.

Please empathize with my view in acknowledging that I am against the Trump administration's wickedness being perpetrated against others who come here desperately seeking our help.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

You really should read the articles you link to:

In his remarks, Paxton said El Paso had a high crime rate before the fence was constructed and that the rate of crime dropped substantially after it was completed.

That was not the case.

Using Uniform Crime Reports from the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the rate of violent crime in El Paso can be calculated by combining data reported by the El Paso County Sheriff's Office and the El Paso Police Department.

Looking broadly at the last 30 years, the rate of violent crime reached its peak in 1993, when more than 6,500 violent crimes were recorded.

Between 1993 and 2006, the number of violent crimes fell by more than 34 percent and less than 2,700 violent crimes were reported.

The border fence was authorized by Bush in 2006, but construction did not start until 2008.

From 2006 to 2011 — two years before the fence was built to two years after — the violent crime rate in El Paso increased by 17 percent.

 

[Mountainmanbob]

As pertains to people legitimately hoping to find asylum in the United States, this would not be applicable. As for those who would seek to abuse our goodwill, it is appropriate.

Unfortunately, our President is promoting inhumane policies based on purposely conflating the two. Hence the psycho semantics in his words reveal his prejudice even as his actions with the courts reveal his true motives when trying to skirt the laws designed to ensure honorable and humane treatment concerning asylum seekers.

Please empathize with my view in acknowledging that I am against the Trump administration's wickedness being perpetrated against others who come here desperately seeking our help.

It should be remembered that only one or two at the most out of 10 will qualify.

There are lawyers South of the Border that School them on what to say even though it probably is not the truth (for most.)

Those are the true facts and the bottom line.

M-Bob

 

[USincognito]

It is being said that when Trump made his pitch for the wall the other night two-thirds of the American public agree with him. Regarding the wall -- I stand with the majority.
M-Bob

This post is as false as the title of this thread.

 

[ToddNotTodd]

It should be remembered that only one or two at the most out of 10 will qualify.

There are lawyers South of the Border that School them on what to say even though it probably is not the truth (for most.)

Those are the true facts and the bottom line.

M-Bob

Citation?

 

[childeye 2]

It should be remembered that only one or two at the most out of 10 will qualify.

There are lawyers South of the Border that School them on what to say even though it probably is not the truth (for most.)

Those are the true facts and the bottom line.

M-Bob

Respectfully Sir, the true facts and bottom line are going to be seen differently through the eyes of a carnal minded person than by those who are of a spiritual mind. Also there is a difference between the factual statistics of how many get granted asylum and how many should factually get asylum.

Subsequently, it's not a foolproof system of fair evaluation and often has more to do with the legal counsel and the judges hearing the cases. For example, 75 percent of applicants cases heard in New York are granted asylum, while cases heard in Alabama are rejected 90 percent of the time.

When it comes to prejudice, I believe that God is pleased with those who would rather believe in the good in people than assume the worst.

 

[yougottabekidding]

Did construction of a border fence cut down on crime rates in El Paso?
"El Paso used to have one of the highest crime rates in America," Paxton said. "After that fence went up and separated Juarez, which still has an extremely high crime rate, the crime rates in El Paso now are some of the lowest in the country. So we know it works."

Of course it did - has there ever been an instance where a wall has been erected and it didn't work?

 

[yougottabekidding]

We'd MUCH rather have a stable Europe that is a solid, first world trading partner than have to keep sending our troops over there to quiet their in-fighting

When was the last time we sent troops to a European country to "quiet their infighting" ?

 

[GlabrousDory4]

When was the last time we sent troops to a European country to "quiet their infighting" ?

1990's. Bosnia Herzegovinia.

You may have heard of some of the earlier ones: 1940's World War II, 1917 World War I.

 

[USincognito]

Of course it did - has there ever been an instance where a wall has been erected and it didn't work?

You might want to read, if not the actual article, then the rest of the thread.

(spoiler - murders actually went up after the wall was built)

 

[Mountainmanbob]

(spoiler - murders actually went up after the wall was built)

There we go
guess the wall caused that.
Give us a break -- please.
M-Bob

 

[RocksInMyHead]

There we go
guess the wall caused that.
Give us a break -- please.
M-Bob

Nobody has made that claim. However, the fact that the murder rate rose after the wall was built does thoroughly debunk the claim that it decreased the murder rate. Which people in this thread are still harping on about for some reason.

 

[expos4ever]

There we go
guess the wall caused that.
Give us a break -- please.
M-Bob

Nobody made this claim, Bob.

 

[USincognito]

There we go
guess the wall caused that.
Give us a break -- please.
M-Bob

I don't dishonestly put words into your mouth like that. Don't you put words into mine.

Especially after the dishonest misquoting of the actual title of the article.

 

[childeye 2]

There we go
guess the wall caused that.
Give us a break -- please.
M-Bob

M-Bob, the poster never even implied what you're inferring.

 

[Mountainmanbob]

Close enough in horseshoes.
Goats love that game.
M-Bob

 

[USincognito]

Close enough in horseshoes.
Goats love that game.
M-Bob

What an odd way to apologize for misrepresenting what I wrote.

 

[Speedwell]

Fences are good.
Some better than walls.
All in for anything and
everything that slows them down.
M-Bob

Amen. Too bad the President doesn't agree with you.