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Eight Democratic Senators Now Call on Franken to Resign

Discussion in 'American Politics' started by Basil the Great, Dec 6, 2017.

  1. brinny

    brinny everlovin' shiner of light in dark places Supporter

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    Pension??!!! That's sick.

    And i agree that it will fail.
     
  2. Almost there

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    People are already tiring of all the accusations floating around. My take on most of it is along the lines of what happened with Clarence Thomas and the Duke Lacrosse team.
     
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  3. brinny

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    He, nor any politician, should ever get a pension. They should live on social security and/or their savings, etc. And their salaries should be cut waaaaay down.

    That's inSANE.
     
  4. Almost there

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    Agree, but we're hijacking the thread. ;)
     
  5. brinny

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    LOL! I MUST keep in mind that this is not my blog. :doh:

    ^_^
     
  6. Allandavid

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    They were exposed by a bunch of unrelated women who dared to speak up. And were supported with evidence...
     
  7. NightHawkeye

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    According to the Washington Post political propaganda machine, those women had no interest in talking with reporters. It took weeks of determined prompting from said political operatives to scrape together any negative information about Moore.
     
  8. Allandavid

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    Gee, I wonder why that would be...! Just take the response by people such as those on this site as an example. For those who want to sweep it all under the carpet, those women become a target...THEY become culpable, rather than their abuser. Why would they be keen to come forward...?
     
  9. Allandavid

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    Try to be a little honest...for Trump’s supporters, the ‘win’ is far more important than how it was achieved...
     
  10. Halbhh

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    I'm glad to be able to tell you many Christians are humble.... Many of us do not presume the many women telling us what Moore did to them are lying.

    Here's a very good example of a Christian viewpoint:

    Peter J. Leithart is president of the Theopolis Institute in Birmingham, Ala., and serves as teacher at Trinity Presbyterian Church in Birmingham.

    "I have defended Alabama Senate candidate Judge Roy Moore’s statements about God and law, but his conduct is indefensible. Not only in decades past but in the past week.

    Four women have charged that Moore made sexual advances when he was thirty-plus and they were teenagers. One was only 14 when, she claims, Moore undressed and fondled her in his car and tried to force her into a sex act.

    A fifth woman, Beverly Young Nelson, charged Moore with assault and attempted rape when she was 16.

    There aren’t many options here. Either the women are lying as part of a well-executed conspiracy against the judge, or Moore did what the women accuse him of doing.

    Lies aren’t unheard of in political campaigns. Smears happen. Politicians plot, especially in high-stakes elections.

    It’s not impossible here. As we’ve learned more about Moore’s young adulthood, though, the conspiracy theory has become increasingly implausible.

    Several of the women share Moore’s religious and political convictions. Moore’s preference for teenage girls was common knowledge among his colleagues and around Gadsden, Alabama, where he was assistant DA.

    As a thirty-something lawyer, he cruised the mall flirting with teenagers. Some claim he was banned from the mall for harassing girls. ..."

    -- Roy Moore and the one big question for voters
     
  11. NightHawkeye

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    Sigh ... and the author of that piece couldn't even get the known facts straight. :doh:
     
  12. Halbhh

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    That's a kind of 'cultural suicide' of a certain politicized group, writes the conservative Catholic Douthat, an opinion columnist for NYtimes (I don't always agree with Douthat, but he nailed this one).

    Opinion | The Swine of Conservatism

    It’s a theory [defending Moore politically] that makes sense if you think only of today’s elections, but in the long term it’s cultural suicide — because it tells your neighbors and your children that your religious convictions are always secondary to your partisanship.

    “For nothing is hidden that will not be made manifest, nor is anything secret that will not be known and come to light.” These words apply everywhere now, to Hollywood pagans and Alabama Christians alike. ...
     
  13. Halbhh

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    I'm willing to get facts corrected all the time, anytime. What is incorrect in that article, and what source(s)? Please know I'm really asking, and will really check, and will use more than one source to check.
     
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  14. NightHawkeye

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    It's curious how voting for Hillary wasn't hypocritical but voting for any conservative who's ever been perceived to have a character flaw is hypocritical. :doh:
     
  15. Halbhh

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    But, who thinks "voting for any conservative who's ever been perceived to have a character flaw is hypocritical."?

    Maybe no one. Maybe even none.

    (I haven't voted for anyone as best I can remember who while I voted for them I did not think was flawed. Even Reagan, who I eagerly voted for, I thought was flawed. If you were trying to guess that I would suggest we can't vote for sinners/flawed people, please PM me and ask, and I tell you precisely how I voted -- they were all sinners!)
     
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  16. NightHawkeye

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    The first claim about a 14 year old victim ... is, I believe, what the attorney Gloria Allred's client said and she was much older.

    I didn't bother to read past the first erroneous claim.
     
  17. Allandavid

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    Oh, we’ll look for any tiny excuse, won’t we....!? The only ‘error’ in that account was that he said “car” instead of “house”. Moore fondled the girl in his house, not his car.....everything else is the same as how she reported it...!
     
  18. NightHawkeye

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    Not even close.
     
  19. Fantine

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    Moore's accusers are exceptionally believable. You've heard the phrase, "You can't fight City Hall?" In the small community where Moore was stalking his victims in schools and shopping malls, Moore WAS City Hall. He was a district attorney, working hand in hand with the police department to whom these frightened young teens would have to tell their stories. Moore had a built-in network of protection as he skulked around stalking his prey.
     
  20. Allandavid

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    Oh, really...?

    Please outline any other inconsistency between what was reported by the (then) 14 year old and this description of it...?

    The girl said he had her strip to her underwear. She says he touched her intimately through her underwear. She says that he guided her hand to touch his penis through his underwear. Where’s the inconsistency...?
     
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