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Featured Egyptian Mythology VS The Bible

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by Joseph Oz, Mar 4, 2016.

  1. Joseph Oz

    Joseph Oz New Member

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    Please Help.
    Egyptian Mythology tells a lot of the most important stories of the Bible in incredible accuracy, but PREDATES the Bible by very many years.
    If this is true than that makes the Bible a copy and the Christian religion completely crumbles..
    I need answers, how can we combat this?
     
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  2. Dkh587

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    The book of Exodus tells you just what the Most High thinks about all the gods of ancient Egypt, and how He dealt with them when He brought the Israelites out of Egypt

    You choose who to believe and serve: The Most High God of Israel, or the gods of Egypt.
     
  3. Joseph Oz

    Joseph Oz New Member

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    I agree, but a lot of the stories in the bible closely resemble stories from Egyptian Mythology, which predate the bible. So a skeptic can argue that the bible is just a copy cat of Egyptians.
    This was brought up in a debate with a few non believing friends and it left me stumped.
    How would you respond to this situation in a debate?
     
  4. mmksparbud

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    Well, of course they do---the bible, and everything in it came first. those stories also got handed down and the other cultures picked up on them and changed them to suit their gods and wrote them down. The bible stories were first all oral. So it doesn't matter that others wrote them down first in their own manner with their own gods. They copied the original stories, not the Jews copied theirs.
     
  5. Joseph Oz

    Joseph Oz New Member

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    Ahhhh, I didn't think of that. Thank you very much! This has been giving me a headache for days
     
  6. mmksparbud

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    Nothing predates creation, Adam and Eve, the flood. Everything, including Egypt, comes after that. The promise of this comes at creation
    (Gen 3:15 JPS) And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; they shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise their heel.'

    Cain and Abel were sacrificing to God, the sacrificial system was already in place then,, and after the flood continued with Noah. The sacrificial system pointed to a savior and what He would do--- be the sacrificial lamb. That was passed on. To everything of God, Satan forms a substitute, including the sacrificial system. But instead of a lamb, some cultures put in just the killing of something, anything---including people, and babies. Jesus is all over the OT---that is what all Jews were studying when Christ came. Everything pointed to Him, but most still did not see Him. The first Christians only had the OT to come to the conclusion that Jesus fulfilled all the expectations of the OT. The Egyptians retained that concept from the sacrificial system already in place with Cain and Able. As with Cain, they wanted to do it their way but expected the same results. The similarities should not be unexpected. They went the route of many different Gods, not just One. They wouldn't even accept the one God of the sun--the priests, in every culture, end up holding the reins of power. And they all do whatever it takes to keep it.
     
  7. civilwarbuff

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    Can you be more specific? What stories in particular?
     
  8. nomadictheist

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    <Staff Edit>
    You seem to have totally missed the fact that Islamists hate everyone except Islamists, but especially Jews and Christians...

    Jesus was a Jew. He claimed to be the son of YHWH, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. He said that the scripture (of the Jews) could not be broken.

    I'm not an expert in Egyptian mythology. However, people I know who have studied the matter tell me that the similarities are not nearly as striking as they are made out to be.

    So, seeing as you are making the claim that the stories are "nearly identical," can I read the sources of the stories that are "nearly identical?" Or do you just have a Youtube video by a modern pseudoscholar who tries to draw parallels that aren't there...
     
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  9. JackRT

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    There is no proof of that and plenty of evidence to the contrary.
     
  10. nomadictheist

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    The most common story people refer to is that of Horus. These links might help understand how these people are falsifying and twisting the stories to try to make them sound more like biblical accounts:

    http://coldcasechristianity.com/2014/is-jesus-simply-a-retelling-of-the-horus-myth/

    http://www.tektonics.org/copycat/osy.php
     
  11. nomadictheist

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    I suppose that depends on where you stand. If you believe in God, the Creator of heaven and earth as described in the Bible, the evidence is that all creation stories came down through Noah's children. As time went on, cultures got them twisted when they stopped worshiping the true God. That's why God revealed Himself to Abraham and made a covenant with him, with Isaac, and with Jacob, and later with Moses and the children of Israel.

    To say that there is "plenty of evidence to the contrary" is to hold the written records of the world above the word of God. It is also to make the Bible of no regard. If the Bible was just "copied from Egyptian religion" then what's the point of believing any of it?

    You can believe what you want about the Bible. I'll believe it is what it claims to be - the inspired word of the only true God.
     
  12. mmksparbud

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    Nope---not when you look at it in context to the whole of creation. But if you'd rather believe man instead of the bible--it's your choice.
     
  13. redleghunter

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    Please explain "pre dates."

    YHWH commanded Moses and then Joshua to write down Torah.

    In the case of the Decalogue, YHWH writes with His own Hand in stone.
     
  14. redleghunter

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    Please substantiate.

    If you are correct then tell your skeptic friends they have found the contemporaneous evidence they were always looking for.
     
  15. redleghunter

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    The Gnostics usually try to reach back to Egyptian philosophical movements. Could be where the OP is hearing this from.
     
  16. redleghunter

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    Would like to see this evidence.

    Please no Michael Rood or Herbert W. Armstrong videos.
     
  17. redleghunter

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    What I like about your posts. You cut to the chase. :)

    You are right, some, no many of the Christian churches have gone full "Tropic Thunder" post-modern.

    In order to justify their departure from Biblical principles, they must impugn the Divine inspiration of the Sacred Scriptures.

    How else can some of these churches support their syncretism with pantheism, Eastern philosophies, condone same sex marriage, and atheist pastors.
     
  18. nomadictheist

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    Mary, the mother of Jesus, was a human woman, and not any queen of heaven. Also, the goddesses of Egypt are never portrayed as being one goddess with many names, but separate goddesses. These are obvious stretches to create similarities that aren't there.

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    Jesus' name was "Yeshua" or "Jeshua," depending on how you transliterate it, and was a form of the name "Yoshua" or "Joshua."

    And here it becomes even clearer that you're trying to stretch similarities. Jesus did not take the form of animals or disguise Himself. What is evident is that His followers didn't recognize His resurrected body, but that is not the same.

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    This is just plain ludicrous. Of course the Egyptian mythology would have a god/goddess who could cast out illness and drive out evil spirits. At that time those things were commonly associated.

    Jesus could do far more than cure illness and cast out evil spirits. He forgave sins, raised people from the dead, created wine from water, broke 5 loaves of bread and 2 fish and used it to feed over 5,000 people, cursed a fig tree so that it withered and died overnight, was the Creator (through Him all things were created), and much more.

    And again, Jesus confirmed YHWH as the creator of heaven and earth and the only true God.
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    Without digging too deep into mythology, here are a few key differences:

    1. Jesus, the eternal Son of God, was born in the flesh of the Holy Spirit through the human virgin Mary. Isis was born to a god and goddess who had sex.

    2. Jesus, the eternal Son of God, had no beginning, but was in the beginning. Isis had a beginning when she was conceived and born

    3. Jesus came to overthrow Death and Hades, and will one day cast them into the lake of fire. Isis created Hades (Osiris as the god of the underworld) when she sewed him back together and gave him an eternal "life" of undeath.

    4. Jesus died for the sins of mankind and rose again on the third day. There is no such mythology around Isis.

    These are just a few of the key differences. There are many more, such as the manner of His birth, those who attended it, the manner of his ministry, etc. But there is not time to go into all of them.
     
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  19. timewerx

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    Then why would Orthodox Christianity depict Mary as the Queen of Heaven with a crown of stars and the moon under her feet?

    Isis, Ashtarte, and Semiramis were also depicted as such.
     
  20. nomadictheist

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    Is the Oxford Dictionary in the Bible? They probably got their ideas from the same place you're getting yours.

    The scriptures never, ever, allude to Mary as anything more than the human mother of Jesus. The fact that some men have chosen to depict her differently is evidence that they wandered from the truth.
     
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