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Egalitarian Marriage

Discussion in 'Married Couples' started by Tamara224, Jun 5, 2012.

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  1. WolfGate

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    Tamara - I pretty much stated in my post that I wasn't trying to start the old debate but rather help others understand the viewpoint. Yet everything you wrote in response appears to be a rebuttal, which takes us down that road from the get go.

    In all honesty, I think this entire thread likely violates the forum rules however, I am hopeful we can demostrate to the moderators that we're finding ways to avoid the old traps. But with this subject, that won't happen if we rebut each others points like we're in a courtroom debate.

    JaneFW - the color of the kitchen is really not what I'm talking about here. Again, my intent is not to argue about your viewpoint, but rather to present mine in a fashion to help understanding. I don't say you have to agree with me. Hopefully you feel as I do, that despite some different views of things you and I have enough history now to recognize mutual respect.
     
  2. Tamara224

    Tamara224 Well-Known Member

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    I don't think you actually read the article in the OP if this is your take-away from it.

    It actually said that egalitarians differ on whether there are innate non-physical differences between men and women, on what those differences are and whether they're nature or nurture.

    I don't know, maybe I'm misreading you.

    It just seems like you're saying that men and women are so different from one another that there's no way we can use the same skills/techniques of compromise and cooperation in an opposite-sex relationship as in a same-sex one.

    But the truth is that you can take any two people of the SAME sex and say that they have different mentalities, cultures, etc, .....

    So, either ALL roommate relationships should be hierarchical or we should each live alone.


    You realize it was highly rhetorical, right?

    My point is that there isn't any more difference between a man and a woman than there is between a man and another man. Personality, needs, mentality, physical needs, those are all going to be different from person to person, regardless of sex.

    If a man and a man can live together and make daily decisions about their shared home and joint responsibilities without dubbing one of them the "head" then we should be able to do that between a man and a woman.

    None of the differences that you listed are only true of opposite-sex relationships, they are true of same-sex relationships (non-sexual) too.

    So why can't the same skills be used?
     
  3. Tamara224

    Tamara224 Well-Known Member

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    You are welcome to not come back to this thread if you feel that way.

    I did refrain from debating you point by point on Scripture.

    But if you want to show that we can do this respectfully, then you're going to need to not attempt to tell me how to conduct myself in online debates. I would prefer for you to use a style more like my own, too. But it's none of my durn business to go telling you how you're allowed to respond and how not.

    I have my style and it works for me.

    And if you don't like it, you're free to go talk to someone else.

    But don't lecture at me about respect while disrespecting me in such a bald-faced manner.


    Also, it's called fisking. It's an internet thing, not a courtroom thing.
     
  4. Tamara224

    Tamara224 Well-Known Member

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    WolfGate, this thread is titled "Egalitarian Marriage" for a reason.

    If you want to talk about your position and your opinion about complementarianism, maybe you could start your own thread.

    But no one asked you to moderate or police my thread and try to tell us how we're allowed to respond to you.

    For crying out loud.
     
  5. Sailor_A

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    Pretty interesting article. I wish I had read something like this before.

    Just to lighten the mood. This critical decision thing gets brought up a lot. You know that important decision that the husband and wife just can not agree upon. I asked my husband about it and he gave me just 5 words: rock, paper scissors, lizard, Spock.
     
  6. David Jerome

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    True...I didn't. I just got that based on a quote from another poster.


    This isn't living in the real world. Of course there are differences. Not acknowledging this, in my opinion, can only make a marriage worse.


    Agreed.

    Exceptions don't negate a general rule. That's why.
     
  7. WolfGate

    WolfGate Senior Member Supporter

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    Tamara - I see. Clearly the moderators were correct.
     
  8. dallasapple

    dallasapple Well-Known Member

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    :D^_^

    You landed your self a GREAT one!

    Dallas
     
  9. LinkH

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    God has already appointed who is the head in a marriage.

    That being said, the head in a marriage is to love his wife sacrificially.
     
  10. dallasapple

    dallasapple Well-Known Member

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    Also I agree the thread is about MISCONCEPTIONS of egalitarian..Debating over and "understandign " one speicific persons view of complimentarian is a bit off topic.

    Discussign egalitarian here to my knowledge isnt against the rules..and in this case its discussing it in a manner thats to break down or rebutt common misbeleifs about that by many complimentarians..But thats nto the saem thing as a full blown "discussion " on submission..

    Dallas
     
  11. dallasapple

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    I dont take the head to mean the same thing some do ..and MANY others(men and women) do not either and thats the discussion ...Not only that there is the WHOLE rest of the Bible..LOL!!!that woudl ALL apply to marriage...never says 'except if its your husband or wife"..its a WHOLE view ..not a line here and there that makes one person by virtue of gender over the other..

    anywya this is about EGALITARIAN..not man leader and head of wife..

    Dallas
     
  12. Tamara224

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    You know what, WolfGate? I'm not going to let this pass.

    I started a thread very clearly entitled "Egalitarian Marriage" the topic of which is EGALITARIAN MARRIAGE with a link to a post about Egalitarian marriage.

    Your entire post was a summary rebuttal of the egalitarian position couched in terms of your opinion on why complementarianism is "more Scriptural". Knowing that we're not supposed to debate woman-only submission vs. mutual submission in this forum - you went ahead and posted a rebuttal of the egalitarian position.

    It's disingenuous to claim I'm the one being disrespectful. Respectful would be you respecting that others in this forum have egalitarian marriages and believe that Scripture teaches such and just not told us why you think we're wrong.

    Respectful would have been choosing to let this thread go on without you having to offer a counter-position.
     
  13. Athene

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    I have spent a ridiculous amount of time today reading blogs and it's all your fault Tamara! :D
     
  14. LinkH

    LinkH Regular Member

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    Could you refrain from bringing up banned topics?
     
  15. Athene

    Athene Grammatically incorrect Supporter

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    so in that case we should probably ignore attempts to turn this in to a comp vs egal debate.
     
  16. Athene

    Athene Grammatically incorrect Supporter

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    ah, but egalitarianism is not banned :D
     
  17. dallasapple

    dallasapple Well-Known Member

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    I agree..and also this blogger isnt even ATTEMPTING to say "complimentarianism" is wrong..she answering to common reasons (wife submit to me the man) CLAIM egalitarian is wrong.. DISPELLING ..she clearly states to each his own and whoever is happy good for them sort of thing..shes NOT "dogging" on others who have chosen to to pick out of the Bible that the man is the womans head and authority..

    Dallas
     
  18. LinkH

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    I know. Only certain topics about marriage that are clearly and directly taught in scripture are banned on this forum.

    Instructions repeated in scripture for wives are off-topic for discussion. Instructions for husbands are not.
     
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  19. Athene

    Athene Grammatically incorrect Supporter

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    ''Egalitarians don’t take the Bible seriously''

    that's one I've encountered a few times. I think this N.T. Wright quote is appropriate

     
  20. David Jerome

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    Ouch...
     
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