Eating swine & other unclean animals is a work of the flesh

[stuart lawrence]

Thank you for sharing these verses.

I don't see how they have anything to do with what I posted. I didn't say we are righteous/justified through the law. We ! One way to be unclean is to eat unclean animals.

(refer back to the original thread post)

 

[stuart lawrence]

One way to be unclean is to eat unclean animals.

Are you so dull? Don't you see that NOTHING that enters a man from the outside can make him unclean? For it doesn't go into his heart but into his stomach and then out of his body
Mark7:18&19

 

[Instrument150]

Leviticus 11:43 shows us that eating unclean animals, birds, sea creatures, bugs etc defiles us and makes us unclean.

Not arguing here .... I have been eating what I think to be a very spiritual diet for months now. BUT .... having said that, John the Baptist's entire diet consisted of locusts and wild honey, and he was the best man to ever live that wasn't God in a human body. One of those two items on the menu is an insect. Did John the Baptist not inherit the kingdom of God? Because I imagine him to be pretty dirty. And locusts are so awful and disgusting that God uses swarms of them to punish people....

JS

 

[Instrument150]

Are you so dull? Don't you see that NOTHING that enters a man from the outside can make him unclean? For it doesn't go into his heart but into his stomach and then out of his body
Mark7:18&19

Hey let's not call each other names and stuff man, he's just trying to do right and understand. You can't fault him for that

 

[Ken Rank]

At some point we as Christians have to ask... "What does it mean to be lawless?" We see it many times in the NT. In some places we don't even realize it is there... for example... when those who come to the Lord and say, "Lord Lord have we not done ____ in your name?" And they hear, "depart from me you workers of iniquity, I never knew you"..... the word for iniquity is anomia. That word, anomia means "without law" or "lawless." So what law? Mans law... as in secular or civil law? Does God care so much if we don't follow the ordinances is MAN? Or is it lawless to stand outside of God's law and condemn it, call it a curse, bondage? We are not saved by works or obedience... but the saved are expected to obey their Lord. We are to follow the commandments because we belong to the House of God and those are His house rules. When we dig around and look for ways do what we are convinced we are supposed to do, we are acting lawlessly... by definition... that is what we are doing.

 

[stuart lawrence]

Hey let's not call each other names and stuff man, he's just trying to do right and understand. You can't fault him for that

I didn't call him names. I literally quoted the words of Jesus from my NIV. WORD FOR WORD

 

[Ken Rank]

Not arguing here .... I have been eating what I think to be a very spiritual diet for months now. BUT .... having said that, John the Baptist's entire diet consisted of locusts and wild honey, and he was the best man to ever live that wasn't God in a human body. One of those two items on the menu is an insect. Did John the Baptist not inherit the kingdom of God? Because I imagine him to be pretty dirty. And locusts are so awful and disgusting that God uses swarms of them to punish people....

JS

Locusts and wild honey are clean though... many insects are clean. What we think is dirty... or why we think God said "that is not food" or "that is food" is not relevant. We don't question His motives and He didn't reveal them to us. So, we just do what we're told and if we're wrong we are wrong trying to obey our Father. I would rather be wrong trying to obey then be wrong doing my own thing. Loved your follow up post to the one I quoted... we need to remain brothers and sisters in Christ even if we don't agree here. We ARE part of the same body!

 

[dqhall]

Lobster is not bad. Eating hog intestines is better than starvation.

What was bad was the Israelites stoning people for working on Saturday. When I was young and strong I loved to work overtime.

Jesus worked on Shabaht/Sabbath.

 

[Ken Rank]

Lobster is not bad. Eating hog intestines is better than starvation.

What was bad was the Israelites stoning people for working on Saturday. When I was young and strong I loved to work overtime.

Jesus worked on Shabaht/Sabbath.

The problem is... God commanded them to stone... so if you are taking a position against them for doing it... you are taking a position against the God who said to do it.

As for messiah working on Saturday. You show me one verse where he worked and got paid for it? Healing is not work... it is a godly merciful act. Don't tell me you'll agree with messiah that helping a friend get his cow out of a ditch is not working and then claim he broke a commandment because he healed a man on Shabbat.

Besides... if he broke a command by definition he sinned. And if he sinned... we are still dead in ours.

 

[Dkh587]

Not arguing here .... I have been eating what I think to be a very spiritual diet for months now. BUT .... having said that, John the Baptist's entire diet consisted of locusts and wild honey, and he was the best man to ever live that wasn't God in a human body. One of those two items on the menu is an insect. Did John the Baptist not inherit the kingdom of God? Because I imagine him to be pretty dirty. And locusts are so awful and disgusting that God uses swarms of them to punish people....

JS

Well, there are certain bugs that are clean to eat. Grasshoppers & crickets & locusts are clean. They have back legs that are jointed and jump.

Leviticus 11:20-23 NLT

You must not eat winged insects that walk along the ground; they are detestable to you.
You may, however, eat winged insects that walk along the ground and have jointed legs so they can jump.
The insects you are permitted to eat include all kinds of locusts, bald locusts, crickets, and grasshoppers.
All other winged insects that walk along the ground are detestable to you.

Whatever kind of locust it would have been, would have been in line with these verses. I don't eat crickets or grasshoppers or locusts, but they ARE clean according to God for us to eat. So John would not be eating anything unclean. I have heard that crickets are very high in protein. If he was eating the bugs, he would have been getting plenty of protein. Gross to think about, but they DID call him all kind of names. We would think John was crazy if we could see him today lol.

Now, there are some that speculate that locusts refer to some kind of locust tree; that he would have been eating the locust pods. I can't confirm, but either way, his diet was within the bounds of God's law.

 

[stuart lawrence]

The law said to stone a woman to death caught in adultery. Did Jesus tell the Pharisees to stone to death a woman caught in adultery? No!
Why not? Did he sin?
No! He invoked what he termed one of the higher points of the law:
Mercy.

Good not to get too hung up on the letter of the law all the time

 

[Dkh587]

Lobster is not bad. Eating hog intestines is better than starvation.

What was bad was the Israelites stoning people for working on Saturday. When I was young and strong I loved to work overtime.

Jesus worked on Shabaht/Sabbath.

Do you know what was worse than stoning the man for picking up sticks on Sabbath? Breaking God's commandment to not work and gather on the Sabbath.

If the man obeyed God in the first place, he wouldn't have been stoned. Sorta like Adam. Adam had the commandment to not eat of the tree of the knowledge of good & evil, but he did it anyway, and faced the consequence: death

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Lobster is not bad. Eating hog intestines is better than starvation.

What was bad was the Israelites stoning people for working on Saturday. When I was young and strong I loved to work overtime.
Jesus worked on Shabaht/Sabbath.

I will have to try that. How to Cook Pork Intestines

I do love menudo tho, which is cow stomach and I cook 3lbs at a time...
Is that considered kosher by the Jews?

Menudo, or pancita ([little] gut or [little] stomach, from Spanish: Panza; "Gut/Stomach") is a traditional Mexican soup, made with beef stomach (tripe) in broth with a red chili pepper base.

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[stuart lawrence]

I think it's fair to assume the man stoned to death for picking up firewood in his heart did not love God or have regard for his laws
King David broke three of the TC, one after the other and was forgiven!

 

[Instrument150]

I didn't call him names. I literally quoted the words of Jesus from my NIV. WORD FOR WORD

I didn't call him names. I literally quoted the words of Jesus from my NIV. WORD FOR WORD

Oh yeah I guess you're right. I thought you were asking if he was dull hahaha ... all in good love

 

[GeorgeJ]

I don't give a crap. There's such a thing as being so heavenly minded, you're no earthly good.

I'm gonna eat my spare ribs, shrimp, crab, lobster, hot dogs, and not lose a bit of sleep over it....and I'll probably have a beer or two with my meal.

All I gotta say is that you folks who think you have to follow the dietary laws of the Isrealites better be following all 613 (I've been corrected in the number) laws in the OT.

 

[Instrument150]

I'm not sure about all of this. It offers me a great deal of anxiety to think of, because I know that I don't follow those laws. I knew it from the moment I really accepted Jesus as my savior. And If I don't get to inherit the kingdom of God because I don't follow those laws, I am very sad indeed.

 

[stuart lawrence]

I don't give a crap. There's such a thing as being so heavenly minded, you're not earthly good.

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I gave you a winners badge for the above. Brilliant, and so true

 

[stuart lawrence]

I don't give a crap. There's such a thing as being so heavenly minded, you're no earthly good.

I'm gonna eat my spare ribs, shrimp, crab, lobster, hot dogs, and not lose a bit of sleep over it....and I'll probably have a beer or two with my meal.

All I gotta say is that you folks who think you have to follow the dietary laws of the Isrealites better be following all 613 (I've been corrected in the number) laws in the OT.

I was raised in a church, where on a Sunday they appeared so heavenly minded. I wondered what I was doing there. They all APPEARED perfect. I knew I wasnt!

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

what the heck is it with all the food threads lately?
I just hope Sabbath threads don't start up.........there were so many of them, they had to make a special sub-board on GT for them.......

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