Earth's age and Adam's age

[yeshuasavedme]

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The first verses of Genesis states that the waters covered the earth. Therefore a pre-Adamic age existed.
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On day 1, there was the creation of the globe, which was not named an eretz/earth/the dry, yet, until day 3, when it was called out of the primal waters of creation, and named "the Dry/Earth".

On day 1, the globe of primal waters was held in in the "circle" of the firmament of His powers, which firmament was not named the "heavens =/sha mayim/two waters" yet, until day two, when the firmament of His powers were stretched out between the cut in two primal waters of creation and stretched out between them -in stories/ layers.

The "elements" that would be used to form every created thing to be, pertaining to the waters and the earth, were "created in those primal waters", but "not formed and not named" until they were formed.
Out of those waters everything that is, pertaining to the earth, was called to be, to come forth, in the forms God called them to be.

The angels of Light are created from the Light, which was called "to be", out of the darkness on day 1. The heavens were not "out there", but "right here", circling the earth on day 1 as the "firmament of His powers".
When the heavens were stretched out from the circle of the earth on day 2, everything that in them is, was made, in the order given.
There were no planets -which word means wandering stars- until they were made in the stretched out heavens.

The angels that sang together at the first dawn are stars, and they were right here, above the globe of waters, and went to their lofty heights as the heavens were stretched out.

What will so called wise men do, when the heavens are rolled up, and stars fall to earth -back to their originating points, and everything is elementally regenerated in a moment, by the cleansing atomic level fires, which regeneration of all things is pictured for us in Revelation -and other prophets' books?

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Well -- 75 years or not.. that 6000 year number is wayyy different than 4 billion years. Two entirely different doctrines on origins and the creation of all life ... all taxa - on Earth

Yes.
Also, in the Word, a clear line from Adam to the coming in flesh of the Christ/Messiah, is shown.
It also shows that Noah and his sons, and Abraham were contempories. Noah died when Abraham was 58 years old, and Shem outlived Abraham...

 

[fwGod]

On day 1, there was the creation of the globe, which was not named an eretz/earth/the dry, yet, until day 3, when it was called out of the primal waters of creation, and named "the Dry/Earth".

On day 1, the globe of primal waters was held in in the "circle" of the firmament of His powers, which firmament was not named the "heavens =/sha mayim/two waters" yet, until day two, when the firmament of His powers were stretched out between the cut in two primal waters of creation and stretched out between them -in stories/ layers.

The "elements" that would be used to form every created thing to be, pertaining to the waters and the earth, were "created in those primal waters", but "not formed and not named" until they were formed.
Out of those waters everything that is, pertaining to the earth, was called to be, to come forth, in the forms God called them to be.

The angels of Light are created from the Light, which was called "to be", out of the darkness on day 1. The heavens were not "out there", but "right here", circling the earth on day 1 as the "firmament of His powers".
When the heavens were stretched out from the circle of the earth on day 2, everything that in them is, was made, in the order given.
There were no planets -which word means wandering stars- until they were made in the stretched out heavens.

The angels that sang together at the first dawn are stars, and they were right here, above the globe of waters, and went to their lofty heights as the heavens were stretched out.

You did notice how long my post was, so taking the time to say something similar to what you did here would have made my post that much longer. I chose to keep it as short as possible.

What will so called wise men do, when the heavens are rolled up, and stars fall to earth -back to their originating points, and everything is elementally regenerated in a moment, by the cleansing atomic level fires, which regeneration of all things is pictured for us in Revelation -and other prophets' books?

There are so many questions.

What will the wise men do? Will there be any on earth when the stars fall? The Tribulation will have wicked men, and the saints martyred, and the Jews in hiding.

Are the falling stars a metaphor for satan and his demons cast down to the earth? How can the stars (stellar or demons) have the earth as their origin point?

Who will be on the earth when the fire cleanses? Or does it happen at the same time that all people are in heaven.. at the Great White Throne?

 

[BobRyan]

You did notice how long my post was, so taking the time to say something similar to what you did here would have made my post that much longer. I chose to keep it as short as possible.

There are so many questions.

What will the wise men do? Will there be any on earth when the stars fall? The Tribulation will have wicked men, and the saints martyred, and the Jews in hiding.

Are the falling stars a metaphor for satan and his demons cast down to the earth? How can the stars (stellar or demons) have the earth as their origin point?

Who will be on the earth when the fire cleanses? Or does it happen at the same time that all people are in heaven.. at the Great White Throne?

1. stars are suns .. except in our solar system they are planets.
2. Stars don't have Earth as their origin nor do Angels have Earth as they origin
3. The stars that sang together are beings outside of our Earth created by God observing Creation of our Earth and solar system... possibly angels.
4. The Rev 12 story about Satan drawing 1/3 of the angels with him in his fall from heaven - is true.
5. At the 2nd coming all the saints are raptured, and the "dead in Christ rise first" at that "First resurrection" Rev 20.. that happens at the 2nd coming. Saints taken to heaven. And all the wicked destroyed. So no humans left on earth for the 1000 years of Rev 20.
6. The fire of Rev 20 will cause a "lake of fire" as the final judgement of the wicked. Happens on Earth and after that the Earth is made new.

 

[fwGod]

1. stars are suns .. except in our solar system they are planets.

The way they are in our solar system would be the way they are in all the cosmos. Not all stars are suns.

2. Stars don't have Earth as their origin nor do Angels have Earth as they origin.

Then why did you say that the stars fall to earth which was their origin?

3. The stars that sang together are beings outside of our Earth created by God observing Creation of our Earth and solar system... possibly angels.

Possibly. However it's been discovered that the planets- mistaken as stars, make sounds.

4. The Rev 12 story about Satan drawing 1/3 of the angels with him in his fall from heaven - is true.

Yes. I knew that. Some of my questions where not unknown to me. It's just that you seemed so willing to give answers.

5. At the 2nd coming all the saints are raptured, and the "dead in Christ rise first" at that "First resurrection" Rev 20.. that happens at the 2nd coming.

I don't agree with that. I believe it how the Bible teaches it. The church is raptured before the Tribulation. At the Second Coming all saints that are pre-trib raptured accompany Jesus back to the earth. In the interest of keeping this short, and because I'm not going to debate it with you. I won't say anymore about it.

And all the wicked destroyed. So no humans left on earth for the 1000 years of Rev 20.
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The book of Revelation states that the 1000 years is the Messianic Millennium. There are those resurrected who lived and died during that period.

The fire of Rev 20 will cause a "lake of fire" as the final judgement of the wicked. Happens on Earth and after that the Earth is made new.

The lake of fire and brimstone would be in the same location as the Abyss. The place where the beast and false prophet were thrown. Hades is thrown into the lake of fire. Even all of the wicked are thrown into the lake of fire.

The new heaven and earth happens after the judgement of the wicked.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Well, at least there are answers in the Word.
Yes, when stars fall to earth there will be human beings on earth.
Demons are not in heaven. Demons are the disembodied spirits of the fallen Watcher angels who did not keep their first estate, as Jude, the womb brother of Jesus, also wrote. They took wives of the daughters of Adam, gene spliced, to get sons, and also taught gene splicing to men on earth, and thereby corrupted "'all [kinds of] flesh on earth, before the flood.
Information from The Book of Enoch, esp chapters 14, 15 tells exactly why they are doomed to roam earth, and when they will be gathered up by the angels after the return of the LORD Jesus to reign for the millennial Sabbath, which is to be thousand year "Day", before the New Beginning, and that is when they will be cast into the Lake of Fire and be tormented themselves, forever, by the Satans, whose food and drink is to torment, accuse, and torture all whom they deceived, who believed and acted upon their lies, against the Word of God and against the Light of Christ which lights every man that comes into the world..

The demons are damned, and when disembodied at the flood, they were permitted to roam earth, assisting the Chief Satan/Evil spirit/ the Prince of Darkness, for whom the Lake of Fire is made, and where they will be bound in forever, after the New Beginning.
The Evil spirits in heaven are the satans, with one chief, and they were never holy and were created to do what they do, and they get those humans who believed thier lies, without repenting, as their prey forever, in the lake of fire.
Evil angels are all evil spirits, and are not holy, and never were holy, and never will be holy, but they have a job to do in "trying and testing" holy angels and the entire human being race, until the end of this 6,000 years, when they will be chained in Sheol for the thousand year Sabbath, and let out to test the generation born in the Millennial Sabbath.
Then cast into the Lake of Fire and kept within it forever, where they are the torturers.

After the millennial Sabbath, when this present heavens and earth pass away in the regeneration of all the elements on an atomic level, then the new heavens and new earth will be instantly regenerated as all things are made new.
The change at that level for this present creation is going to be as instant as the change the flesh of the redeemed, who are changed in an instant, in the twinkling of an eye, in their living bodies of flesh at the rapture, and in the instant regeneration of the DNA of each body of the redeemed souls raptured from the dust of the earth when they return in the air to receive the regenerated bodies at the time of the rapture of the saints, sometime before the tribulation.

The same for those souls who were martyrs in the tribulation.
After that, for the millennial reign, not one body of flesh will be buried in the earth, as it states in Isaiah, because Isaiah states that those who die are accursed in that time, and go directly to the Lake of Fire (soul in body, minus the Adam spirit -which loss is irrevocable and makes them a "never dying worm"]....
Too much information just in summary here, but you can research the Word, and the Book of Enoch, which is Scripture, also.
So, the change will be instant, when the heavens and earth are changed, at the time this present creation passes away, and the New is instantly put on.

...Will there be any on earth when the stars fall? The Tribulation will have wicked men, and the saints martyred, and the Jews in hiding....

Are the falling stars a metaphor for satan and his demons cast down to the earth? How can the stars (stellar or demons) have the earth as their origin point?

Who will be on the earth when the fire cleanses? Or does it happen at the same time that all people are in heaven.. at the Great White Throne?

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Stars are angels, but not all angels are stars. The "morning stars that sang..." are those created from the light called forth from the darkness and they ascended to their heights in the stretched out firmament on day two. They have jobs to do, and they make electric currents as they "spin and sing". Those currents are given to the MEnnorah/the sun, which is not a star. The sun receives those waves and because of the material it is made from, refracts it back out to everything under heaven. Look up the book, "The Electric Sun", and research the Electric universe.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdFnGumjANo
Singing stars -This is fascinating.
I do not agree with Louie Giglio's opinions on what a star is nor that any have failed, or collapsed, etc, because God says in His Word that "not one has failed", and "He calls them all by name". Also, the distances of things in heaven are not so great as men think, and God called the Heavens "the Firmament of His Powers", so IMHO, what men think is distance, is actually "powers". I once read a paper by a physicist who wrote that the physics of earth do not apply to anything outside of our earth. I lost the paper when a computer crashed, and it was so long ago I don't remember how to even begin to find it again.

1. stars are suns .. except in our solar system they are planets.
2. Stars don't have Earth as their origin nor do Angels have Earth as they origin
3. The stars that sang together are beings outside of our Earth created by God observing Creation of our Earth and solar system... possibly angels.