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Earth Tilt Question

Discussion in 'Creation & Theistic Evolution' started by Standing Up, Dec 16, 2009.

  1. Standing Up

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    Do folks think that the earth may have tilted on its axis as a result of Noah's flood?

    Thought?

    Comments?
     
  2. Mallon

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    Or maybe it's a result of the Fall...

    How could we tell these two possibilities apart?
     
  3. Agonaces of Susa

    Agonaces of Susa Evolution is not science: legalize creationism.

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    The tilt of the axis was not caused by the flood but rather the flood was caused by the tilt of the axis (the birth of Venus).

    "In the lifetime of [Emperor] Yao the sun did not set for ten full days and the entire land was flooded." -- Johannes Hübner, evangelist, 1729
     
  4. PaladinValer

    PaladinValer Traditional Orthodox Anglican

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    The tilt of the axis was probably caused when, late in its formation, the still young Earth was struck by a colossal body around the size of Mars. This huge impact would have caused the nearly-full-sized Earth to "shift" in position.

    This also caused the formation of the moon.
     
  5. tansy

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    Or maybe the earth's like a giant Mexican jumping bean lol..and every now and then suddenly flips or tilts.
     
  6. Standing Up

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    So, where is this?

    Maybe a giant meteor or jumping bean hit the earth in Venus and caused the flood.

    Okay.

    Anyone else have a thought on whether the flood and earth's tilt are related?
     
  7. Bushido216

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    No.

    The Earth's tilt is almost certainly the result of something really big and really fast smashing into it.

    A flood (lowercase) probably happened, a lot. The Flood (uppercase) never did.

    Edit: You may not be aware, but you've just opened a HUGE can of worms... you'd honestly be better of asking your pastor if you wanted just the straight literalist answer.
     
  8. Papias

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    For a creationist to postulated that only reflects poorly on their adherence to Genesis. Genesis 1:14 already mentions that the seasons exist, so the tilt was there before the flood - even if I were to limit myself to a literal reading.
     
  9. Chesterton

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    Is there any such thing as an "axis" in nature?
     
  10. Standing Up

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    Don't know about the worms. Don't want to argue about it. Just asking.

    So, if it were a local flood, nothing changes.

    If it were a worldwide flood, maybe it changes or not really?

    If the earth was never tilted, but it is now, then something happened? Worldwide flood? Meteor? Other?
     
  11. Standing Up

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    From where do these ideas arise? Any links?
     
  12. PaladinValer

    PaladinValer Traditional Orthodox Anglican

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    Science.

    I'm sure a google search about how the moon was formed will prove very fruitful.
     
  13. Bushido216

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  14. Papias

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    Standing up wrote:

    They arise from math - calculations have shown that such an impact is consistent with many (though not quite all) mathematical measurements.

    Just google "Theia"

    Here's one link

    The Theia Hypothesis: New Evidence Emerges that Earth and Moon Were Once the Same

    Here's an animation of the impact (much more fun! - and walking with monsters is a great series. I recommend buying it from Amazon, especially if you have kids) :

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2AEer2j9Ys

    Papias
     
  15. juvenissun

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    Very good thinking.

    But as I checked the lexicon, the word "season" may not really mean the 4 seasons. It may only mean the identification of time.

    On the contrary, Gen 8:22 is the first time that true seasons are mentioned.

    What would be the meteorological conditions of the earth if the axis were not tilted? Hmm... very good question.
     
  16. juvenissun

    juvenissun ... and God saw that it was good.

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    I was a little confused by the OP. But now I see the point.

    Very good question. And thanks a lot for the link of this two subjects. I am floundering with the tectonic issues related to the Flood. But have never thought about the tilting of the earth as a possible result (or cause). Not sure if the movie 2012 also suggested this idea?

    But, how would any change on the earth itself cause the tilting of rotation? Could the sudden shift of a large land mass (or a segment of crust) make it happen? I guess it is possible.

    Wow, it is really a can of worm. Thanks a lot.
     
  17. Standing Up

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    Thank you for that clarification on season at Gen. 8:22, which is related to Noah's flood.

    Some posit that there was no rain on earth until after the flood, that conditions were 'the same' all over, but don't really want to sidetrack. Don't know, don't know how to show it one way or the other (except for the apparently "new" rainbow). It (earth tilt) would change seasons north and south of the equator.

    Anyway, as to season, Noah's ark came to rest on the 17th of the 7th month (Gen. 8:4). Apparently this is within the context of a 12 month year as the remainder of the chapter implies (water decreases until the 10th month, then 40 days, raven, dove, dove (60 days total?)
     
  18. Standing Up

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    Thanks for the links on the giant impact theory.
     
  19. Papias

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    Juve wrote:
    But by changing the meaning of the words we see, doesn't that throw into question any literal reading of any part of the Bible?

    I see two stages of doubt that your point raises - first, in reading any text, we now have to doubt if this is an accurate translation of the Hebrew (OT) or greek (NT) words - so no verse can be taken at face value without checking every word in the lexicon before speaking. What a pain - can you see being able to even do a reading from the Bible with this requirement?

    Second - is the lexicon divinely inspired? Or was it made by humans and could thus not know for sure what the ancient words meant? If that's the case (and it seems inevitable), then we can't be sure of any literal reading, even after checking the lexicon, because any word could have a different meaning from the plain english (stage 1 above) or from what is in the lexicon (stage two, this paragraph).

    Papias
     
  20. Assyrian

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    Well answered :)

    It is worth looking at the full verse though. Gen 8:22 While the earth remains, seedtime and harvest, cold and heat, summer and winter, day and night, shall not cease." While this is the first mention of specific seasons, the passage is talking about things that existed before the flood too, day and night, which were describe before the seasons in Gen 1.