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Featured Dressing Modestly!

Discussion in 'Christian Philosophy & Ethics' started by Zachm531, Oct 29, 2019.

  1. Zachm531

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    Saw this on Facebook and thought i’d share. This applies to both men and women:


    A girl bought an iPad. When her father saw it, He asked her "What was the 1st thing you did when you bought it?

    "I put an anti-scratch sticker on the screen and bought a cover for the iPad" she replied.

    "Did someone force you to do so?"

    - "No"

    "Don't you think it's an insult to the
    manufacturer?"

    - "No dad! In fact they even recommend using a cover for the iPad"

    "Did you cover it because it was cheap & ugly?"

    - "Actually, I covered it because I didn't want it to get damaged and decrease in value."

    "When you put the cover on, didn't it reduce the iPad's beauty?"

    - "I think it looks better and it is worth it for the protection it gives my iPad."

    The father looked lovingly at his daughter and said,
    "Yet if I had asked you to cover your body which is much more precious than the iPad, would you have readily agreed???"

    She was mute.....

    ~ Indecent dressing and exposure of your body reduces your value and respect.
    Always dress decently.

    *Pls protect our young ladies by sharing this with all sisters*.
     
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  2. RaymondG

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    Cool analogy.....I believe this could apply to the gift within as well...We should do more to not grieve the Holy Spirit.
     
  3. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    There's a song something like "honesty is gone" ....
    there's probably a song like "modesty is unknown today" (in the world/ by the world)....

    Yet, yes, Jesus and the Father did not lower the standard..... people just fell A LOT further than it once was , eh?
     
  4. carp614

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    As a father or two teenage daughters I love, love, love this...
     
  5. Paidiske

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    A person is not an iPad. The analogy is flawed.
     
  6. RDKirk

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    So...transparent clothing in the front is okay.
     
  7. Paidiske

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    Perhaps the transparent panel to let you see the screen, is the equivalent of wearing only a hijab rather than niqab or burkha, to let you see her face?
     
  8. TheDag

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    So what does the bible sy about how to dress?
    In 1 Timothy 2:9-10 it says
    I also want the women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, adorning themselves, not with elaborate hairstyles or gold or pearls or expensive clothes, 10 but with good deeds, appropriate for women who profess to worship God.

    So what clothes does it tell people to dress in? None. Does that mean women should walk around naked? Of course not. Rather it is saying don't dress with the motive to draw attention to yourself.
     
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  9. RDKirk

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    Exactly.

    Let's look at what problem Paul was probably observing. Was he seeing Roman, Greek, and Jewish Christian women coming in half-dressed or naked? Not in the 1st century. Bare skin was not his problem because no regular women bared skin.

    It's not, btw, as though sensual clothing was not a problem at all. For instance, a small amount of silk from China was reaching Rome at that time, and certain very wealthy women wore silk stolae. But of course, silk hugs the form of the body more closely than wool or linen. It was an outrage for some people. One Roman critic observed, "They might as well be naked!"

    Paul's problem, though, was that Christianity was bringing poor people and rich people together, and supposedly as equals in Christ. The wealthy were still displaying the social privilege they enjoyed in the world through their ostentatious clothing, and that caused a problem (which James also alluded to).

    Today, of course, bareness is a problem. But that's really just another facet of ostentatiousness. As you say, people are trying to draw attention to themselves, and not just through bareness.

    Wealthy people are still dressing to show off their wealth (which nobody seems to mind in American churches, even though that's explicitly the very thing Paul was talking about). Sexy people dress sexily to draw attention to their sexiness. Political people wear signs of their politics. Social rebels wear signs of their social rebellion. It's all a matter of drawing attention to self.
     
  10. RaymondG

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    I thought that was the point......A human is much more valued than a piece of machinery, therefore, should warrant greater attention, protection and care, than we give to those machine....and not the reverse.
     
  11. Paidiske

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    Sure.

    But where you protect or care for an iPad by putting a cover on it, protection or care for another human being would be very different. Telling women to cover up or "dress decently" isn't an act of protection or care, generally speaking.

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  12. RaymondG

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    There have been many rapists who attributed there actions to impulses brought on by the clothing worn by the women. Even though this is nonsense, it does give cause for one to think covering up can be a form of protection for a woman.
     
  13. Paidiske

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    Of course rapists are going to blame their victims. That's much less uncomfortable than admitting their own culpability, isn't it?

    Given that the most common outfit worn by rape victims is jeans and a t-shirt, and given that rape happens even to women in burkhas, I'm not buying the idea that men telling women to wear more clothes is somehow protective.
     
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  14. RDKirk

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    Actually, I've never heard that from a rapist. Any examples of such quotations?
     
  15. RaymondG

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    You never heard of a man being tempted by clothing worn by women?..Or the lack thereof? You need quotes to knew whether or not this is possible?

    There is no need..... We live in eden....so we are able to walk around naked without fear of anyone being tempted....Therefore covering up cannot be seen as a way to protect.
     
  16. Paidiske

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    A man being tempted to lustful thoughts by what he sees? Sure, that happens. (It happens no matter what women wear, by the way; the human imagination is a powerful tool for filling in the blanks).

    A man then forcing sex on an unwilling woman as a result of that? That's a much more complex chain of causality. Rape isn't just about libido or arousal. It's about power, and the desire to overpower and coerce another. The willingness to do that doesn't come just from seeing an attractive woman in whatever state of dress.
     
  17. RDKirk

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    You said:
    You can't just back up to saying "men have been tempted" and claim to be making the same argument.
     
  18. RaymondG

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    Thieves are more likely to break into a car that has no alarm.......Now does this mean that if you decide not to put an alarm on it, you are to blame for your car getting broken into? That you somehow made the thief break in, or gave them an excuse to? Is the thief not a thief because he has evil in him, that has no relation to whether alarms are installed?

    Now if I suggested that I think it wise to install an alarm, does this mean that Im giving an excuse to the thief and not trying to help you protect your car? Am I now linking his actions to your action of not installing the alarm? Am I now on the side of the thief? NO! Im only acknowledging that there may be cases in which an alarm may deter a thief, and thereby protect your car.

    It is ridiculous to imply that one who suggest covering up the body for added protection, is in someway, placing blame on a victim or giving an excuse to criminals.

    There are people who are tempted, more, by types of clothing wore.....There are crazy people who do not control their thoughts and impulses, and can react without consent. Of course, there are some criminals who dont care about the clothes you wear, or whether or not you install an alarm. But to see wrong in one who suggest an alarm or more clothing, without any possibility that they could actually believe it could help and are trying to suggest something good, in their eyes......is unwise.
     
  19. RaymondG

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    I am ok with you believing or teaching that a woman can wear or not wear whatever they want in this world and not have to worry about those actions attracting evil men.

    Although I would never promote this idea, I see no fault in you promoting it. I have no desire to prove you wrong. Nor would I attribute any attacks to clothing warn. Just like I would not blame a car theft on the owner of an alarm-less car.......Even if i so happen to advise them to get an alarm.
     
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  20. HannahT

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    1 Samuel 16:7 - “But the LORD said to Samuel, ‘Do not consider his appearance or his height, for I have rejected him. The LORD does not look at the things people look at. People look at the outward appearance, but the LORD looks at the heart.”

    Modesty is also of the heart. To me it is the demeanor. To many people apply shame to these verses, and they backfire. Modesty is so much more.

    People often ask me for examples, and I had to think of individuals that most of heard of or seen. Mr. Rogers was the male, and the Melody character in Gone with the Wind. Both are modest and humble in their demeanor.

    People do look to the outward, and completely miss the inward.
     
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