Dreams

[biblicalbro]

I know most Calvinsts are cessationists but how to you explain when you have a dream about someone you know that turns out to be true? For instance, they're depressed in the dream which turns out to be the case in real life. I lean towards the Reformed side myself but I cannot deny that these dreams I've had. Or if someone had a dream about me that was truen. It's happened sporadically in my life. Thoughts?

 

[Hazelelponi]

Sometimes dreams are our subconscious recognition of things/people.

Such as dreaming your friend was depressed. That was likely you noticing subtle changes in your freinds behavior and actions on a subconscious level and it coming to the forefront of your mind via dreams.

That happens a lot actually, and is often why people tell you to "sleep on it" when there is a large decision to make. This gives time for your conscious and subconscious thoughts and fears to surface and be fully considered.

So, in your case you might just be a fairly perceptive person who befriends similar people to yourself.

That said, I didn't know Calvinists were cessationalists.. and im Calvinist. I absolutely believe in the Holy Spirit etc. We may have some differences with charismatics concerning speaking in tongues, but we believe very much in the Holy Spirit and gifts thereof.

 

[biblicalbro]

Sometimes dreams are our subconscious recognition of things/people.

Such as dreaming your friend was depressed. That was likely you noticing subtle changes in your freinds behavior and actions on a subconscious level and it coming to the forefront of your mind via dreams.

That happens a lot actually, and is often why people tell you to "sleep on it" when there is a large decision to make. This gives time for your conscious and subconscious thoughts and fears to surface and be fully considered.

So, in your case you might just be a fairly perceptive person who befriends similar people to yourself.

That said, I didn't know Calvinists were cessationalists.. and im Calvinist. I absolutely believe in the Holy Spirit etc. We may have some differences with charismatics concerning speaking in tongues, but we believe very much in the Holy Spirit and gifts thereof.

Thanks for your post. I definitely understand where you're coming from. However, I must clarify that I did not know what my friends were dealing with at all. I was completely oblivious.

 

[Hazelelponi]

Thanks for your post. I definitely understand where you're coming from. However, I must clarify that I did not know what my friends were dealing with at all. I was completely oblivious.

Were you around these freinds? Hanging out etc?

Not knowing something factually and perceiving changes which created a conclusion in your subconscious mind are two different things..

But sure, it could have been from God also, but I would caution you in it. The purpose of anything of the Spirit is to bring others to Christ, share the Gospel and help our brothers and sisters in their Christian walk .. (encouragement etc)

So, if you and others notice this quality as a quality then use it to God's advantage.

Never tell people you dreamed of them, but if you think someone might need encouraging then figure out a subtle way to share some scripture with them that might be helpful to them.

Just bring up in conversation.. "I was reading "x" scripture passages the other day and felt x, have you read these passages? they are so encouraging to me!"

That's all you ever need to do. No need of anything else and only if you feel particularly led to do so..

Always always pray about it and make sure your being led by God in it, each time.

 

[Don Maurer]

I know most Calvinsts are cessationists but how to you explain when you have a dream about someone you know that turns out to be true? For instance, they're depressed in the dream which turns out to be the case in real life. I lean towards the Reformed side myself but I cannot deny that these dreams I've had. Or if someone had a dream about me that was truen. It's happened sporadically in my life. Thoughts?

Your right, I flinch when I hear someone claim to have received a revelation from God by a dream. It is a violation of sola scriptura.

I myself have had some dreams that came true, but I would never claim them to be a revelation from God. I would not claim to be a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams. Theology and practice should always begin on the only infallible source of theology and practice, the scripture.

On the other hand, feel free to see your friend as depressed, just do not regard your dream to make you a person who has received special revelation.

 

[JM]

When Dreams Become Doctrine

 

[Francis Drake]

For over 50 years, the Lord has been regularly directing my path via dreams and visions, prophecies, words of knowledge etc.

My life would be very shallow if such things were not there.

Being a very practical Christian I asked the Lord for such things and that has always been the case whether in my business life, or home life. I have experienced more of God there than in church.

Acts2v16But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;

17And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

18And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:

 

[Don Maurer]

You have a lot of interesting company, Joseph Smith and Muhammad to list at least two. Have you written any books of your revelations such as the Book of Mormon or the Koran? If not, why not?

For over 50 years, the Lord has been regularly directing my path via dreams and visions, prophecies, words of knowledge etc.

My life would be very shallow if such things were not there.

Being a very practical Christian I asked the Lord for such things and that has always been the case whether in my business life, or home life. I have experienced more of God there than in church.

Acts2v16But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;

17And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

18And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:

 

[Francis Drake]

You have a lot of interesting company, Joseph Smith and Muhammad to list at least two. Have you written any books of your revelations such as the Book of Mormon or the Koran? If not, why not?

If you wanted to post an honest comment, it would be more accurate to compare me with the faithful listed in scripture who lived by dreams and visions, rather than murderers and rapists like Mohammed.
But I forgive your foolish ignorance.

 

[Don Maurer]

If you wanted to post an honest comment, it would be more accurate to compare me with the faithful listed in scripture who lived by dreams and visions, rather than murderers and rapists like Mohammed.
But I forgive your foolish ignorance.

I did not ask for forgiveness. Although I also did not draw any analogy between you and rapists and murderers, since I do not know you. I did make the connection between you and others who claim to receive special revelation, they wrote down their revelation, and then added it to scripture... why don't you. Surely with the statements you made, you do not believe in a closed Canon of Scripture do you?

Also, the whole purpose of this thread is for people to ask questions of "Calvinists" or reformed people, or to find out what we (reformed people) really believe. I do not see how you could possibly claim to be one of us (Reformed). If you came here to debate, there is a thread for that. You should go there.

 

[Francis Drake]

I did not ask for forgiveness. Although I also did not draw any analogy between you and rapists and murderers, since I do not know you.

You compared me to Mohammed, a pagan rapist and murderer.

I did make the connection between you and others who claim to receive special revelation, they wrote down their revelation, and then added it to scripture... why don't you.

For the simple reason that personal revelation is not the same as scripture.
As stated many times, I have lived the last 50 or so years listening to that still small voice, and seeing dreams and visions. Why does it so offend you that my heavenly Father reveals stuff to me?

He saved my life from a car crash when I heard his voice warning me to brake.

He gave me an amazing dream that solved a problem at on a building project that had outwitted several specialists.

He showed me an open vision of a special shaped piece of metal I needed to fix the internals of a broken machine that had halted our production line repeatedly. By that the Lord actually redesigned how the machine operated, so that it never failed that way again.

He revealed new business plans through prophetic words.

The list is endless.

Surely with the statements you made, you do not believe in a closed Canon of Scripture do you?

Don't be so daft. I have never even intimated such stupidity. Nor to my knowledge has anyone else here who believes in the operation of the spiritual gifts today.

Also, the whole purpose of this thread is for people to ask questions of "Calvinists" or reformed people, or to find out what we (reformed people) really believe. I do not see how you could possibly claim to be one of us (Reformed). If you came here to debate, there is a thread for that. You should go there.

I made a simple honest comment on post No7 adding to the OP. Your objection started the debate. You insult and then tell me to go elsewhere! Lol
Why not answer the premise of the thread instead of crying wolf.

 

[Don Maurer]

You compared me to Mohammed, a pagan rapist and murderer.

Whatever other similar attributes Muhammud has to you I did not mention, I only mentioned that you are in interesting company with others. It was of course you that mentioned that Mahammud is a rapist and Murderer. I made the comparison that he made claims of revelation also.

For the simple reason that personal revelation is not the same as scripture.

The scriptures teach something very different than what you say above here.
2 Thes 2:15 So then, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye were taught, whether by word, or by epistle of ours.
Paul exorts the Thessalonians to stand fast on his teaching and then equivocates that his oral teaching and his written teaching are both of equal authority.

Of course just before this verse, he also equivocates the content of his epistle and his oral teaching.
2 Thes 2:5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

Your claims therefore cannot be minimized on the basis of "personal revelation is not the same as scripture." The personal revelation of prophets and apostles was identical in authority with the word of God. More than this, Muhammud himself never wrote anything down, he was illiterate and could not write down his so called revelations. It was his followers that wrote down his words into the Koran.

As stated many times, I have lived the last 50 or so years listening to that still small voice, and seeing dreams and visions. Why does it so offend you that my heavenly Father reveals stuff to me?

The still small voice mentioned by Elijah was an actual voice. It amazes me how many self proclaimed receivers of revelation claim that passage out of context.

I am offended because you come here as if you can change the nature of this channel at your whim. It is not a thread for you to come and challenge reformed people on the doctrine of sola scriptura. It is a place for people to come and ask Reformed people questions about what they believe. You are not reformed.

He saved my life from a car crash when I heard his voice warning me to brake.

He gave me an amazing dream that solved a problem at on a building project that had outwitted several specialists.

He showed me an open vision of a special shaped piece of metal I needed to fix the internals of a broken machine that had halted our production line repeatedly. By that the Lord actually redesigned how the machine operated, so that it never failed that way again.

He revealed new business plans through prophetic words.

The list is endless.

Hearing voices are you? They have medication for that. See your local psychiatrist.

Don't be so daft. I have never even intimated such stupidity. Nor to my knowledge has anyone else here who believes in the operation of the spiritual gifts today.

I made a simple honest comment on post No7 adding to the OP. Your objection started the debate. You insult and then tell me to go elsewhere! Lol
Why not answer the premise of the thread instead of crying wolf.

"Don't be so daft." LOL, a little name calling eh?

If you want to discuss your so called "simple and honest" (of course I reject both those claims) statements. go to the place below called Debating Calvinists." The thread you are posting in now are for Calvinists to answer questions. Since you are a non-Calvinist, you only have the right to ask questions about what we believe. You are out of order here.

 

[Francis Drake]

Whatever other similar attributes Muhammud has to you I did not mention, I only mentioned that you are in interesting company with others. It was of course you that mentioned that Mahammud is a rapist and Murderer. I made the comparison that he made claims of revelation also.


The scriptures teach something very different than what you say above here.
2 Thes 2:15 So then, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye were taught, whether by word, or by epistle of ours.
Paul exorts the Thessalonians to stand fast on his teaching and then equivocates that his oral teaching and his written teaching are both of equal authority.

Of course just before this verse, he also equivocates the content of his epistle and his oral teaching.
2 Thes 2:5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

Your claims therefore cannot be minimized on the basis of "personal revelation is not the same as scripture." The personal revelation of prophets and apostles was identical in authority with the word of God. More than this, Muhammud himself never wrote anything down, he was illiterate and could not write down his so called revelations. It was his followers that wrote down his words into the Koran.


The still small voice mentioned by Elijah was an actual voice. It amazes me how many self proclaimed receivers of revelation claim that passage out of context.

I am offended because you come here as if you can change the nature of this channel at your whim. It is not a thread for you to come and challenge reformed people on the doctrine of sola scriptura. It is a place for people to come and ask Reformed people questions about what they believe. You are not reformed.


Hearing voices are you? They have medication for that. See your local psychiatrist.



"Don't be so daft." LOL, a little name calling eh?

If you want to discuss your so called "simple and honest" (of course I reject both those claims) statements. go to the place below called Debating Calvinists." The thread you are posting in now are for Calvinists to answer questions. Since you are a non-Calvinist, you only have the right to ask questions about what we believe. You are out of order here.

Throwing a hissy fit is hardly a defence. But I shall take your advice and leave you to your group hugs. G'bye.

 

[Don Maurer]

Throwing a hissy fit is hardly a defence. But I shall take your advice and leave you to your group hugs. G'bye.

The word is spelled "defense." Ahh, in my last answer, I quoted scripture. Its a bummer for you when you actually have to go to that book called the Bible. You should read it sometime.

 

[Francis Drake]

The word is spelled "defense."

British English = Defence.
As part of her declaration of independence, America obviously also declared independence from the English language. lol
And you have to admit that the English, being English, they alone have the last say on the real English language.
So even if I let you have the last word on our ongoing argument, I win on this one!
But, as before, you are forgiven.

 

[Don Maurer]

British English = Defence.
As part of her declaration of independence, America obviously also declared independence from the English language. lol
And you have to admit that the English, being English, they alone have the last say on the real English language.
So even if I let you have the last word on our ongoing argument, I win on this one!
But, as before, you are forgiven.

No need for forgiveness since I did not say anything wrong. Concerning English language, we yanks try to improve everything, just as we did the English language.