Dream interpretation

pig-rabbit · Apr 4, 2010

Hi everyone. This is my first time on this site and I registered just to post here. I tried to talk to my Christian friends in regarding my dreams but they never have dreams from God so I'm glad I found this forum where I can get insights on dreams from people with experience. So, my first question is: Does God speak to all of His children in dreams? If so, why and when does He do it?

God has spoken to my dreams twice as so far as I can remember. Once was when I was making a decision about where to go to college and two when I was asking God whether this person was someone who I was supposed to marry. I knew it was God speaking to me because I asked Him specifically for an answer and the second time I asked Him to show His answer to me in a dream because I have trouble listening to His voice sometimes. :T

While I am on this subject, there is a dream that I remember from last year that really disturbed me. It was in my life when I had a new job and it was so stressful because I thought the partners were evil. I was struggling there because I knew my partners were going to ask me to do something unethical and it promulgated me to quit my job after they did.

Anyhow, back to the dream, I dreamt that I was on some island with foreign native people. I was just a visitor and there were the natives around me - they looked like island people - dark skin, half naked with a skirt on. I watching the dock in front of me where 2 horses stood. In the water, there were alligators and one of the horses slipped into the water and was being eaten by the alligators and the horse was struggling in the water. I watched in horror as I couldn't do anything and hoped that the king of the island would stop this atrocity. In my dream, I think the king could've done something about the situation. But the king did nothing. After, the king beheaded the horse (I don't remember which one). It's been about a year since this dream so I don't remember it vividly but I did when I woke up in horror. Do you think this dream is from God? If so, what can it mean?

ChildOfGod97 · Apr 4, 2010

pig-rabbit said:
Hi everyone. This is my first time on this site and I registered just to post here. I tried to talk to my Christian friends in regarding my dreams but they never have dreams from God so I'm glad I found this forum where I can get insights on dreams from people with experience. So, my first question is: Does God speak to all of His children in dreams? If so, why and when does He do it?

In Exodus 4 God said to Moses, "Who has made man's mouth? Who makes him mute, or deaf, or seeing, or blind? Is it not I, the LORD?"

So, what about Satan? Complicated story. Job goes into it somewhat, if one reads that, one notices Job had no idea about the first part of the book, that it what was going on in the Heavenlies. He argued God had done all of these plagues to him.

God never corrected him on that. God pointed out Job's other friends said wrongly about Him. God corrected Job on thinking he knew everything.

But, there is, of course, a difference between dreams literally "from God". That is prophetic dreams.

Might every Christian have prophetic dreams? Who knows? We do know there is a "prophet class" or people gifted with "prophecy". Such people can believe God can speak to them through dreams. Others can not. And He does not.

Not in "that way", anyway.

Some have the gift, but they doubt it at times. Ultimately, though, a message from God can not be doubted by them deep down. They consider other possibilities, but can not disbelieve, because God makes them believe it.

As for "why" the reasons are many. Ultimately, the gift of prophecy is for "edification of the church". Though, God has used prophets to turn unbelievers and outsiders before.

It is a good idea to keep an open mind. A closed mind closes possibilities. How can God work with that? And is there enough good in the world that we should feel satisfied resting on our laurels?

pig-rabbit said:
Anyhow, back to the dream, I dreamt that I was on some island with foreign native people. I was just a visitor and there were the natives around me - they looked like island people - dark skin, half naked with a skirt on. I watching the dock in front of me where 2 horses stood. In the water, there were alligators and one of the horses slipped into the water and was being eaten by the alligators and the horse was struggling in the water. I watched in horror as I couldn't do anything and hoped that the king of the island would stop this atrocity. In my dream, I think the king could've done something about the situation. But the king did nothing. After, the king beheaded the horse (I don't remember which one). It's been about a year since this dream so I don't remember it vividly but I did when I woke up in horror. Do you think this dream is from God? If so, what can it mean?

Do you believe it is from God is the real question.

And if not, you very well may.

For instance, once, when I was young, I wrote a story. Seemed to me to be just a work of fiction. I had no special thoughts about it "being from God". I worked it out just like that.

Turned out later, it was definitely from God.

So, that is how things go. One would be surprised at how many speak from God without knowing it. Many books are written, for instance, because of some dream or a compelling picture in one's heart which they just 'have to write down'.

The King is Jesus. The horse is a vehicle, an organization. Jesus allows it to struggle and drown, then beheads it. Beheads it: removes the head of the organization, utterly killing it as it is.

The natives lose their organization, then.

But consider this: they did not need it. Who needs horses on an island?

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Do you have any Catholic friends?

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pig-rabbit · Apr 4, 2010

ChildOfGod97, thank you for your response and input.

ChildOfGod97 said:
Do you believe it is from God is the real question.

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I don't know. I thought it could be Satan as it was horrific and violent and it was during a time when I was really stressed.

ChildOfGod97 said:
The King is Jesus. The horse is a vehicle, an organization. Jesus allows it to struggle and drown, then beheads it. Beheads it: removes the head of the organization, utterly killing it as it is.

The natives lose their organization, then.

But consider this: they did not need it. Who needs horses on an island?

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I also am recalling other parts of the dream I forgot to mention. The second horse that was not being eaten at first tried to help the other horse but then it too got caught in the web. I think they were horses first but then when it came to the beheading part it became a zebra. I don't know if these details matter anyway.

I thank you for your interpretation but I don't know if I agree with it. Although I mentioned the events of the dreams, I also want to emphasize my feelings during it. I was in sheer horror seeing the horse being brutally attacked then in more horror as the remaining horse just trying to help out also was being killed. To me, it seemed as if the horses were innocent and the alligators were the evil doers. In the dream, I thought the natives were barbaric for not being horrified as I was and not doing anything about the poor horses. Then, when it came to the beheading part, I was really confused as to why the king beheaded the zebra.

ChildOfGod97 · Apr 4, 2010

It may help to try and pray to God and literally say something like, "God I believe this dream is from Satan". Because, if you truly do not believe that, you should feel when about to do that... that it is very wrong to say... if it is from God.

That could help show you what you really, truly, deep down in your heart believe about it.

pig-rabbit · Apr 4, 2010

ChildOfGod97 said:
If you think it is of Satan... why are you trying to figure it out?

Do you have a lot of dreams from Satan?

Or dreams you think are from Satan?

No, I don't have dreams I think are from Satan. The only time I thought it was is when I was writing the reply. Before that, I thought it was just a strange dream.

ChildOfGod97 said:
If you think it is of Satan... why are you trying to figure it out?
I grew up in a Presbyterian church... I don't recall any such teachings at the church I went to. Did you come from another church, or what church did you go to? I am trying to understand where you got this idea... that Satan might be talking to you in your dreams and confusing you about the nature of your dreams.

I also grew up in a Presybterian church. By such teachings, do you mean Satan attacking us in a dream? I have been attacked once in a dream by Satan. I was paralyzed and couldn't move and I felt a dark shadow coming. I quickly said the Lord's Prayer and I was able to move again and the dark shadow was gone. Other Christian friends have also experience similar incidents in their sleep. I only think the dream might be because Satan always tries to tease and deceive us and it was during a time when I was really stressed so I thought Satan could be attacking me through nightmares when I was feeling week.

ChildOfGod97 said:
Why did you say the zebra was a horse in the first telling of it?

In my dreams, objects sometimes change. For instance, person A was driving and person B was in the passenger seat. Later in the dream, person B was driving and person A was in the passenger seat. So, in the beginning, there was 2 horses on the dock. When the beheading took place, it was one of the horses but now it was a zebra. I dreamt this dream about 10 months ago so my memory is fuzzy.

ChildOfGod97 said:
Do you know any Catholics? You missed that question...

I thought it was part of your signature so I didn't answer it. But my answer is: No, I don't have any Catholics friends. I know some Catholics but not closed to any. How come this is important?

ChildOfGod97 said:
What would horrify you?

The violence and the suffering. Seeing horses suffer like that was just horrible even though it's part of the circle of life.

ChildOfGod97 said:
What else was there about zebras?

Are you just now remembering it was a zebra?

Or do you consider zebras horses?

Nothing else about the zebra except the beheading part. Yes, I am just remembering the zebra as I think it was a zebra that was being beheaded. Again, my memory is fuzzy. No, I don't consider zebras as horses.

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It sounds like the most important question, however, is what I said, which is "do you believe it is from God".

You did not answer that directly, but did say you thought it might be from Satan because of the ugliness of the situation.

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Again, I don't know if it was from God. I'm not closed to the idea of it from being God. If it is from God, I want to know what He wants to say to me. I do only think it could be from Satan because of the ugliness.

I thank you again for your reply.

ChildOfGod97 · Apr 4, 2010

pig-rabbit said:
No, I don't have dreams I think are from Satan. The only time I thought it was is when I was writing the reply. Before that, I thought it was just a strange dream.

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Again, I don't know if it was from God. I'm not closed to the idea of it from being God. If it is from God, I want to know what He wants to say to me. I do only think it could be from Satan because of the ugliness.

I thank you again for your reply.

I edited the response earlier...

"Last edited by ChildOfGod97; 4th April 2010 at 03:06 AM."

That response merely says, to consider praying to God about it. Search your heart for how you feel about going to God in prayer and asking God if this dream was from Satan. If you genuinely believe it was from Satan, then you should not feel wrong about saying that to God in private prayer.

I tried this myself with something I had some doubts about. Just thinking of this thing I considered, to go to God with that in prayer made me more sure it was from God.

Take a good look at the Old Testament and listen to the voice of God there as He speaks to the Prophets. There is some very grisly stuff there.

If God foretells something grisly, that can be a warning or a description. A description as in, "This is what will happen" or "this is what is happening". If someone calls 911 and says, "I had my leg chopped off", because the details are grisly does not mean that it is evil to say. Or that the caller is somehow Satanic...

It is a simple reporting of the facts.

Revelation 19

17And I saw an angel standing in the sun, who cried in a loud voice to all the birds flying in midair, "Come, gather together for the great supper of God, 18so that you may eat the flesh of kings, generals, and mighty men, of horses and their riders, and the flesh of all people, free and slave, small and great."

Revelation 18

1After this I saw another angel coming down from heaven. He had great authority, and the earth was illuminated by his splendor. 2With a mighty voice he shouted:
"Fallen! Fallen is Babylon the Great!
She has become a home for demons
and a haunt for every evil[a] spirit,
a haunt for every unclean and detestable bird.
3For all the nations have drunk
the maddening wine of her adulteries.
The kings of the earth committed adultery with her,
and the merchants of the earth grew rich from her excessive luxuries."

Zebra == Black & White. Night & Day. Good & Evil.

Zebra -> can not change its' stripes.
Zebra -> stripes help it hide in the shadows.

I believe your dream is speaking of the Catholic Church as it is being eaten up by these scandals that are reaching the Pope. This is a "beyond an ordinary situation".

This week the Vatican tried to say the molestation issues that people are angry over is akin to the Holocaust and anti-semitism.

The Associated Press: APNewsBreak: Rome waited years to ban Ariz. priest

The future Pope Benedict XVI took over the abuse case of an Arizona priest, then let it languish at the Vatican for years despite repeated pleas from the bishop for the man to be removed from the priesthood, according to church correspondence.
Documents reviewed by The Associated Press show that in 1990, members of a church tribunal found that the Rev. Michael Teta of Tuscon, Ariz., had molested children and deemed his behavior including allegations that he abused boys in a confessional almost "satanic." The tribunal referred his case to then-Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, who would become pope in 2005.
But it took 12 years from the time Ratzinger assumed control of the case in a signed letter until Teta was formally removed from ministry, a step only the Vatican can take.

Unbelievable, I am sure, but keep your eyes open on these stories as they unfold. Watch and see...

It is a very "big deal".

The zebra image... their situation is they have many doctrines which they can not change without destroying the assumption of authorities. And there is the underlying problem of priestly celibacy being forced.

Also, why were these priests given such leniency, so systematically?

Zebras can not change their stripes, as the saying goes...

Hiding in shadows: these sorts of things hide in the shadows. Pedophilia by priests, covering it up... all in the Name of God...

That is a true horror. That should find anyone who reads of it horrified and revolted as you were in your dream.

There is good and bad mixed in together in the whole batch, but the whole batch is going to be beheaded. That is, if a CEO did this, the CEO would get fired to save the company. That is impossible for that system to do that. So they are in a catch-22.

No place to maneuver.

JWNEWMAN · Apr 4, 2010

I think ChildOfGod97 hit on something when he said "God makes them believe..."

I have this wonderful friend who, when I met was in really deep distress on many levels of his life. Not knowing if he believed or not I began talking to him about God, and, praising in the midst of troubles, trusting in God's goodness, and keeping the mind on being thankful, being generous, etc., etc.

Now he was a man who had nothing, almost literally, and had so many problems, personal (relationships) financial, and with the law that, my advice might have almost seemed stupid.

Praise? "What for? My tent? He was living in the woods. My broken down van? My family who's disowned me? My driver's license, the one they took away? I could go on and on...

Give? What? The wood I've gathered for the fire? My old worn out clothes? My rundown beaten up van? I don't have anything to give anyone would take, he might have said.

Two times when we've talked, and we've take many times, he's stopped and deeply listened (he's usually butting in) and in both cases by following the advice his circumstances have utterly changed.

He was almost as low as a person can get. No money, no transportation, no license, no family, his only friends, other homeless people. But a paragraph from God, and, his applied faith changed everything.

What am I saying: When God is speaking in a dream it's like that I think: It arrests your consciousness and, you can't forget it, it keeps coming back till you accept it, and, digest it. Everything stops for a moment and you drink in the content until it comes back to you with the understanding. You then apply it.

Hope that makes some sense.

pig-rabbit · Apr 4, 2010

ChildOfGod97 said:
That response merely says, to consider praying to God about it. Search your heart for how you feel about going to God in prayer and asking God if this dream was from Satan. If you genuinely believe it was from Satan, then you should not feel wrong about saying that to God in private prayer.

Thank you. I think I should go to God in prayer because ultimately, He is the one who can let me know.

ChildOfGod97 said:
If God foretells something grisly, that can be a warning or a description.

It is a simple reporting of the facts.

I think I must study the Bible more. I asked God to reveal great and unsearchable things He has promised in His Word. I should also ask Him to convict my heart when He speaks as I'm a horrible listener. :T

ChildOfGod97 said:
Zebra == Black & White. Night & Day. Good & Evil.

Zebra -> can not change its' stripes.
Zebra -> stripes help it hide in the shadows.

I believe your dream is speaking of the Catholic Church as it is being eaten up by these scandals that are reaching the Pope. This is a "beyond an ordinary situation".

Very interesting. If it is true, I wonder why God would tell me this. I'm not saying it in a bad way. I'm truly wondering but again, I should go to God.

JWNEWMAN said:
What am I saying: When God is speaking in a dream it's like that I think: It arrests your consciousness and, you can't forget it, it keeps coming back till you accept it, and, digest it. Everything stops for a moment and you drink in the content until it comes back to you with the understanding. You then apply it.

Hope that makes some sense.

Yes, that did make sense. Thank you for your response.

Firewater · Apr 5, 2010

It sounds to me like the dream had an application to your work situation at the time you had it. Did you hear anything about that company & the partners after you left? This might provide some helpful insights for you on dream interpretation.

Alligators are territorial predators & are sly, not your typical pet or recreational animal. Horses on the other hand are human-friendly (generally ) & were used as a vehicle for transport in the past & work-horses. In dreams they can often be linked to vocation or motivation.

The dream could refer to your work partners being consumed by predatory, scheming behaviour. Whilst horrifying to you, this can seem normal to natives of "I"-land/Me-land (island). The king is someone in authority who was able to do something about the situation. But rather than the king seeking to rescue what is helpful to humans and/or addressing the alligator issue that causes problems for humans, he beheaded the horse - crazy. This seems to speak of someone being punished as a scape-goat & the problem continues without being addressed. It may refer to the demotion or sacking of one or both of the partners.

This sort of predatory, scheming behaviour in businesses might provide short-term, isolated wins here & there, but it is disasterous for a business in the medium to long term. It shows a lack of trust, & trust is absolutely essential for a business to prosper.

I do see the dream as a warning for you not to be committed to a situation like that(e.g. by working there), so it is good that you removed yourself from it. Well done. God will honour you for holding on to your integrity at significant cost ( 1 Sam 2:30).

God bless

ChildOfGod97 · Apr 5, 2010

pig-rabbit said:
Very interesting. If it is true, I wonder why God would tell me this. I'm not saying it in a bad way. I'm truly wondering but again, I should go to God.

That is just what comes to me at this time. Sometimes dreams also have other meanings. Sometimes they can mean one thing to one person, and something else to another. They can definitely have double meanings. Scripture is the exact same way.

In Scripture we see, for instance, the prophecies with their deep, life changing metaphors & real events at the time & speaking of real events far in the future & pointing to something much more important and deeper under all of that.

I have had dreams for others and for myself. I have had some dreams I have had it told to me others knew well the meaning of it, but they never told me because it was private for them.

Today, we go through a lot of the world in the Free World thinking everything is so simple and small. Not all of that is bad, not by any means, but it is a firm... landscape, to find a word, of unbelief.

Partly this is all a product of the "Age of Reason". Some of it is good. Some is bad. Yet, anything bad is eventually meant for good, just as Pharaoh was raised up 'so God could demonstrate His power through him'.

To put another way: in our popular fiction there are sometimes sublime plot twists. Usually, even the best films or books of this manner only have one or two major plot twists. Where everything changes for the audience, people thought matters were one way, but they were really another. The best cases of these is when there is a lot of foreshadowing, but the audience misses the meaning of that foreshadowing.

In life, which God designs, plot twists of a severe nature happen routinely, and we know that there is a gigantic plot twist coming up as Revelation and Scripture tells us so.

As for "why you"... a lot of people go through life and everything remains pretty mundane and static day in and day out. Not so for everyone.

Our lives can get very mundane, even those who have had exciting events of the most unlikely sort, but eventually matters change.

Mundanity and the consistency of it... can blind us to future big changes. We may not even be aware of the foreshadowing but for one peak poking out of the water here or there.

Like Noah in his ark, looking for the world of water to go down... finally a peak of a mountain was found sticking out of the water. Eventually, the whole world would change again -- the water would go and land would appear again.

It sounds like this dream and these others - and who knows what other unusual events in your life which you may have chalked off - are speaking of some future "sea change" in your life.

It definitely does happen to people. It is not something that just happens in the movies, that is for sure.

I would keep your eyes open and mind open. Expand your belief & expect miracles. Look for something "more" in your life. That can help.

pig-rabbit · Apr 6, 2010

Thank you for your response, Firewater.

Firewater said:
It sounds to me like the dream had an application to your work situation at the time you had it. Did you hear anything about that company & the partners after you left? This might provide some helpful insights for you on dream interpretation.

I haven't heard anything about the firm since I left.

Firewater said:
But rather than the king seeking to rescue what is helpful to humans and/or addressing the alligator issue that causes problems for humans, he beheaded the horse - crazy. This seems to speak of someone being punished as a scape-goat & the problem continues without being addressed. It may refer to the demotion or sacking of one or both of the partners.

Both of the partners are the only partners there. They do scheme and they are very greedy and also very wealthy from what I heard. The beheading part is confusing.

Firewater said:
I do see the dream as a warning for you not to be committed to a situation like that(e.g. by working there), so it is good that you removed yourself from it. Well done. God will honour you for holding on to your integrity at significant cost ( 1 Sam 2:30).

I still wonder whether it was God's will for me to have even worked there or it was my lack of patience of waiting for Him to answer of my prayers.

Firewater said:
God bless

Thank you and you too.

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ChildOfGod97, Thank you again for your insight.

ChildOfGod97 said:
That is just what comes to me at this time. Sometimes dreams also have other meanings. Sometimes they can mean one thing to one person, and something else to another. They can definitely have double meanings. Scripture is the exact same way.

I can understand and agree with you. I never really thought too much about my dreams but I'm learning a lot just from reading this thread.

ChildOfGod97 said:
It sounds like this dream and these others - and who knows what other unusual events in your life which you may have chalked off - are speaking of some future "sea change" in your life.

I hope so because I am waiting for God to answer my prayers right now to change my circumstances.

ChildOfGod97 said:
I would keep your eyes open and mind open. Expand your belief & expect miracles. Look for something "more" in your life. That can help.

I actually had another nightmare last night and again I wonder if God is trying to speak to me in it. I will post in a new post.

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