Dr. Kellogg's 'cure' for masturbation

[mva1985]

Some gems from the pen of inspiration:

"Children who practice self-indulgence [masturbation] previous to puberty, or the period of merging into manhood or womanhood, must pay the penalty of nature's violated laws at that critical period.

Many sink into an early grave, while others have sufficient force of constitution to pass this ordeal. If the practice is continued from the age of fifteen and upward, nature will protest against the abuse she has suffered, and continues to suffer, and will make them pay the penalty for the transgression of her laws, especially from the ages of thirty to forty-five, by numerous pains in the system, and various diseases, such as affection of the liver and lungs, neuralgia, rheumatism, affection of the spine, diseased kidneys, and cancerous humors.

Some of nature's fine machinery gives way, leaving a heavier task for the remaining to perform, which disorders nature's fine arrangement, and there is often a sudden breaking down of the constitution; and death is the result."
--Solemn Appeal, 1870, p. 63

"Females possess less vital force than the other sex, and are deprived very much of the bracing, invigorating air, by their in-door life. The result of self-abuse in them is seen in various diseases, such as catarrh, dropsy, headache, loss of memory and sight, great weakness in the back and loins, affections of the spine, and frequently, inward decay of the head. Cancerous humor, which would lie dormant in the system their lifetime, is inflamed, and commences its eating, destructive work. The mind is often utterly ruined, and insanity supervenes."
--A Solemn Appeal (Appeal to Mothers) pg.73

"It is not the taxation of study alone that was doing the work of injury to your children, but that their own wrong habits were sapping the brain, and robbing the entire body of vital energy. The nervous system was becoming shattered by being often excited and thus laying the foundation for premature and certain decay. Self -abuse is killing thousands and tens of thousands."
--Manuscript Releases Volume Five pg. 396 (Letter to Dr. and Sister Lay, Feb. 13, 1870).

"The minds of some of these children are so weakened that they have but one half or one third of the brilliancy of intellect that they might have had, had they been virtuous and pure. They have thrown it away in self-abuse. Right here in this church, corruption is teeming on every hand."
--Testimonies for the Church volume two pg. 361

It is curious indeed that you offer no proof that these things are false.

 

[sentipente]

It is curious indeed that you offer no proof that these things are false.

Get serious if you want to be taken seriously.

 

[NightEternal]

No doubt Senti.

Unbelievable. And I thought things could not get any more absurd.

Good luck with that MVA. I will be waiting for your medical evidence that any of it is TRUE, how about that?

 

[mva1985]

No doubt Senti.

Unbelievable. And I thought things could not get any more absurd.

Good luck with that MVA. I will be waiting for your medical evidence that any of it is TRUE, how about that?

And I'll be waiting for your medical evidence that they are false.

You only try to prove that it is wrong because it sounds absurd so it must be wrong. I guess the same would apply to the health message that was advanced back in the 1800's.

 

[NightEternal]

Like Senti said, get serious. You are not even making any sense anymore with your blind attempts at apologetics.

 

[Mankin]

Science has proven that masturbation has healthy effects. Please stop insulting your intelligence with this nonsense. I did not mean that as a flame.

 

[mva1985]

Science has proven that masturbation has healthy effects. Please stop insulting your intelligence with this nonsense. I did not mean that as a flame.

And we have science to thank for the big bang theory - so what is your point?

 

[Mankin]

The Big bang theory is unproven.

If masturbation is so terrible for your health than why are people living longer?

 

[mva1985]

The Big bang theory is unproven.

If masturbation is so terrible for your health than why are people living longer?

Better health care!?!?

 

[Mankin]

There is absolutely no proof that any of these ailments are caused by rubbing of the genitals. In our modern age of medicine if masturbation caused all these things we would be aware of it. EGW was merely influenced by this Victorian thinking of her time.

 

[Avonia]

Is there anything in science or the Bible?

JM

Probably not!

 

[JonMiller]

The big bang is a good theory. Of course, we have better now (at least, compared to the original big bang theory).

JM

 

[JonMiller]

Probably not!

I really look to science for medical konwledge...

JM

 

[Haggai]

The big bang is a good theory. Of course, we have better now (at least, compared to the original big bang theory).

JM

The big bang theory a good theory? It completely undermines the book of Genesis. How is the universe forming and expanding from a singularity consistent with the Bible?

Acts 5:29
"Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men."

 

[JonMiller]

It fitted the scientific evidence and worked as a mathematical model.

JM

 

[JonMiller]

The big bang theory a good theory? It completely undermines the book of Genesis. How is the universe forming and expanding from a singularity consistent with the Bible?

Actually, where does the Bible say anything about how the Universe was formed and whether it is expanding or not.. or anything about singularities?

JM

 

[Haggai]

It fitted the scientific evidence and worked as a mathematical model.

JM

Any science concerning the past is speculative and subjective because you cannot find empirical evidence for something in the past because all you have is the present. The scientists who developed the big bang theory are surely atheists and with their pre-suppositions of atheism had to design a mechanism for the formation of the universe in the absence of God.
God says "In the beginning God..." not "In the beginning was a singularity in which God invoked dark energy to expand it into the universe..."

 

[Haggai]

Actually, where does the Bible say anything about how the Universe was formed and whether it is expanding or not.. or anything about singularities?

JM

1In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. 5And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
..............."""""
It's obvious from reading this in the straight-forward way the author would have intended it to be read, that God created the earth, he didn't just wait for cosmic dust to collapse into a planet earth.

 

[JonMiller]

Any science concerning the past is speculative and subjective because you cannot find empirical evidence for something in the past because all you have is the present. The scientists who developed the big bang theory are surely atheists and with their pre-suppositions of atheism had to design a mechanism for the formation of the universe in the absence of God.
God says "In the beginning God..." not "In the beginning was a singularity in which God invoked dark energy to expand it into the universe..."

Well, it is true, science does have assumptions about the past (and distant... and future).

The Big Bang thoery actually is going from a singularity to the current universe... it doesn't give the source of the singularity. There are other theories which don't seem to require a singularity. Besides the fact that it was a catholic priest who invented the term Big Bang.

Additionally, the Bible is not a scientific work. It has been a big failure everytime it has been applied as a scientific work. Since the Bible isn't concerned with the science, then it isn't going to talk about things from a scientific perspective.

Obviously, if it did, we would have the science 2000+ years ago, and not have been discovering it in the last 200 years.

JM

 

[JonMiller]

1In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. 5And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
..............."""""
It's obvious from reading this in the straight-forward way the author would have intended it to be read, that God created the earth, he didn't just wait for cosmic dust to collapse into a planet earth.

What does that have to do with the Big Bang theory? Or any other of the relevant scientific theories?

JM