Don't forget the OTHER side of the Holocaust

[Pommer]

So if a teacher does not want to talk about CRT they can't be compelled to do so.

But if they do want to talk about CRT, they have to have answers and material for “why it’s bad” too?

 

[rjs330]

It's currently becoming more popular in the us. Boom! Relevant again!
discussion.

No it's not because it's not a matter of current event not is it a matter of widely debated matter of public policy.

You guys KNOW you are off base on this topic. Why are you so stick in it?

Use something that is actually relevant.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

No they are not. The only place it was a matter of that was in Germany.

Teachers can't teach about social events in other countries? The bill says nothing about restricting it to US-only topics.

Why don't we pick a current topic to discuss where this law would actually apply?

I gave another example in post #53 - this time of a widely-debated topic that doesn't really have two sides to teach because one of those sides is delusional.

You cannot believe that the Holocaust is a widely debated and current controversial topic do you?

Of course not. Doesn't mean that others don't.

 

[rambot]

No it's not because it's not a matter of current event not is it a matter of widely debated matter of public policy.

You guys KNOW you are off base on this topic. Why are you so stick in it?

Use something that is actually relevant.

Stop denying reality.

Look at the story in the op.

 

[Trogdor the Burninator]

Well it's true - nobody ever thinks about the family of an evil henchman.

 

[rjs330]

But if they do want to talk about CRT, they have to have answers and material for “why it’s bad” too?

Makes sense to me. CRT is a hotly debated topic of current social issues and matters if public policy. So yes.

 

[rjs330]

Stop denying reality.

Look at the story in the op.

The OP is concerned about something that is irrelevant to the legislation. It's been proven. It's time to get off the hill.

If you are concerned about it, pick an actual relevant topic that applies to the legislation. Not some part of history that doesnt apply in the least.

You guys know it doesn't apply yet you can't admit you and the OP are off base. We might actually have a relevant discussion if you picked a relevant topic.

Again the legislation is about not FORCING teachers to teach about CURRENT issues and CURRENT PUBLIC POLICY. You know good and well that has NOTHING to do with the Holocaust.

 

[98cwitr]

Texas book controversy: School administrator told teachers to include Holocaust books with 'opposing' views when explaining new state law - CNN

I chose CNN cause I'm lazy. I'm positive you can find any one of a number of other sites commenting on this case.

My first question is this:
Do you think this school administrator ACTUALLY wants "the opposing view of the holocaust" in the classroom or do you think they did this bring attention to the sheer folly of this ludicrous bill?




With that said, perhaps that's just all a dog and pony show.
Here is the bill itself:
Texas HB3979 | 2021-2022 | 87th Legislature

What is this even? How is this not disconcerting to ANYONE that governments can dictate this kind of nonsense?

Check it out...look what you CANNOT do in Social Studies class:
That's the OPPOSITE of what should happen.
Social studies teachers should be WANTING to have these conversations. How can we expect adults to grow up and be able to have tough conversations without giving them a chance to practice and learn how as kids?

When did America become so lily white that they hated having tough conversations on tough subjects? Was it when folks started suggesting that maybe members of certain races are still able to exert power over other races whether formally or informally, consciously or subconsciously?

Another one:
On the surface this sounds reasonable. But this is written by a politician and not an educator.
For example:
How quick will they be to say that Communism and Socialism are JUST AS GOOD as capitalism.
And
Equality is good. But racism is also really good and totally level and beneficial for society too.

I guess that means politicians can no longer go to school and present themeslves and the policies they are fighting for.



The use of the word "blame" here is highly suspect and, in my opinion, could easily be taken to a challenge.

And number 6, what a shambles. But that said I can imagine more than a few people are just SALIVATING over that.

Operative word there is "compelled." Very different than the narrative's spin of "they're banning history from being taught" I don't see the issue. Kids need to learn about these things, but without the bias present in CRT rooted curriculum.

I learned about slavery, the civil war, and the holocaust in American and World History classes in high school, long before CRT. I see nothing that's all of a sudden going to stop or outlaw that. This is about narrative, bias and targeted spins on historical facts to have students reach a predefined conclusion: "America bad."