don't exterminate all the jews in the world now.

[Gadarene]

england mayor ken livingstone gets suspended for saying

"Hitler had supported Zionism"

Which he was correct about. He was wrongfully suspended. Hitler coordinated with a German Zionist group in the 30s to repatriate German Jews to Palestine. Haavara agreement.

 

[naveed]

don't exterminate all the jews in the world now.

don't exterminate all the jews in the world now.

why are people on social media being allowed to say

"exterminate all the jews in the world now." ?

this shouldn't be allowed to happen because it just isn't right.

why are more and more people on social media saying

"exterminate all the jews in the world now." ?

because jews don't deserve to be exterminated.

Facebook says calling for death to Israel isn't hate speech because it's a country | WashingtonExaminer.com

more and more Jews get attacked since trump elected

 

[Gadarene]

more and more Jews get attacked since trump elected

Thanks Trump for making even gattaca make sense

 

[Desk trauma]

Thanks Trump for making even gattaca make sense

One of the saddest commentaries on this chapter of history.

 

[Gadarene]

One of the saddest commentaries on this chapter of history.

Indeed. Sad!

 

[GrowingSmaller]

Id say stop it, if its incitement to genocide.

 

[Nige55]

"It's like saying I'm so persecuted and the way to solve this is to destroy country X and all its people down to the individual for all eternity.

But, it's not at all. They're not out to 'destroy' country X, just to remind it to be sensitive to past events. Kind of like how a husband/wife/partner wouldn't be well advised to regularly joke about or bring up the topic of an affair they had. I lived in Germany for most of my adult life, they don't feel pacified by it. I think it's absolutely necessary in Germany, bear in mind that even I used to see quite a few Neo-nazi's around.

 

[Nige55]

I would vote no, as I would actually rather know when someone has something so abhorrent in their heart. You know better who, or rather what you're dealing with when such opinions are made public.

 

[naveed]

Marine Le Pen denies that the French,

round up and kill Jews.

Marine Le Pen condemned after denying French role in wartime round-up of Jews

 

[JustHereToTalk]

People in social media say many stupid things. "Exterminate the Jews," "Exterminate the Arabs," "Exterminate the blacks," "Exterminate the whites," "Exterminate the males," "Justin Bieber is awesome." Saying stupid things and doing stupid things are not equivalent, and no group should have special protection. If we should not be allowed to say "exterminate the Jews," we should not be allowed to say so of anyone else. Why single the Jews out like this?

Now, as far as free speech is concerned, this approaches the fine line. If a person is just making a logical (or illogical) proposition, an expression of his hatred or what have you, that is one thing. For example, "Well, if you want society to be X, then you're just going to have to exterminate all the Y." We might not like it, but that's free speech.

But if they are actually, actively attempting to recruit people to commit violence - that isn't free speech. That's conspiracy to commit violence. The answer for a free society, then, is "sometimes."


***Edit: It also depends on who is "allowing" said speech. "Exterminate all Jews in the world" shouldn't, of course, be "allowed" by admins in Christians Forums, for example, but it isn't in every wise something that should be *illegal* in a free state.***

 

[Earatha]

SociL media platforms are private businesses who can choose what they want to allow on their space. If they want to allow anti-semitism that's their choice.

 

[Nige55]

People in social media say many stupid things. "Exterminate the Jews," "Exterminate the Arabs," "Exterminate the blacks," "Exterminate the whites," "Exterminate the males," "Justin Bieber is awesome." Saying stupid things and doing stupid things are not equivalent, and no group should have special protection. If we should not be allowed to say "exterminate the Jews," we should not be allowed to say so of anyone else. Why single the Jews out like this?

Now, as far as free speech is concerned, this approaches the fine line. If a person is just making a logical (or illogical) proposition, an expression of his hatred or what have you, that is one thing. For example, "Well, if you want society to be X, then you're just going to have to exterminate all the Y." We might not like it, but that's free speech.

But if they are actually, actively attempting to recruit people to commit violence - that isn't free speech. That's conspiracy to commit violence. The answer for a free society, then, is "sometimes."


***Edit: It also depends on who is "allowing" said speech. "Exterminate all Jews in the world" shouldn't, of course, be "allowed" by admins in Christians Forums, for example, but it isn't in every wise something that should be *illegal* in a free state.***

The problem is however, that in being desensitised to such radical, dangerous stances (i.e. in wiping out a particular group, religion or ethnicity), we forget to connect that when such opinions are vocalised it DOES feed the flame of actual physical acts. It's a rallying in other words, which usually leads to a banding of similar points of view, creating a subtle upsurgence. The problem is not with free speech (we need that !), the problem is that the alarm bells aren't ringing quite as loudly as they used to when we do encounter such rabid opinions. Well, they do in some cases, not in others.

 

[Dave-W]

SociL media platforms are private businesses who can choose what they want to allow on their space. If they want to allow anti-semitism that's their choice.

So it is ok for a private store to serve only whites or blacks? To have separate dining counters for each race? As a private business they can "choose what they want to allow on their space," right?

 

[Earatha]

So it is ok for a private store to serve only whites or blacks? To have separate dining counters for each race? As a private business they can "choose what they want to allow on their space," right?

Legally speaking no. But they can tell you that you have to wear a tux or an evening dress. They can tell you you can't stand in the center of the restaurant screaming obscenities. Or they could choose to provide a place where it is perfectly ok to shout obscenities at the top of your voice. That's THEIR choice.

If Facebook or twitter decided only to allow blacks or Christians to post, there might be some problems due to equal access and protected class issues. But viewpoints and speech using a private platform is another issue. If a private entity creates a platform and forum for ideas, they get to control the content that goes on it.

Which SHOULD NOT be that hard of a concept. When you signed onto this forum you agreed to certain rules about what can and cannot be posted. We all agreed to them and we all agree that CF has a right to set those rules.

 

[JustHereToTalk]

So it is ok for a private store to serve only whites or blacks? To have separate dining counters for each race? As a private business they can "choose what they want to allow on their space," right?

Not really the same thing. Serving all customers can't necessarily be conflated with serving all products, or tolerating all usages.

 

[soulartist]

Calling for the extermination of any group or people is disgusting and shouldn't be tolerated be it Jew, Muslim, Christian or whomever. It breeds more hatred which the world does not need.

 

[naveed]

more and more Jews get attacked since 2016

Anti-Semitic incidents spike since election, Jewish watchdog says

 

[Motherofkittens]

Once again, we're not talking about the same thing. One Jewish newspaper writing bad things about Germans doesn't equal Germans trying to kill every Jewish person on the planet. How many people did that Jewish magazine kill? This isn't a "two wrongs don't make it right" situation, because that would assume that the two "wrongs" are in any way proportionate with each other. It minimizes the Holocaust to try and act like people saying not so nice things in a newspaper is on the same level as trying to exterminate an entire group of people. It's not. One of them is one of the worst human rights abuses in world history and the other one barely matters at all.

Also it is one newspaper so he is generalizing about all Jewish people doing a boycott. He is doing what he says the Jewish people did to Germany. And it isn't a boycott to destroy the German people it is a boycott to make Germany a nonhostile place for Jewish people. Oh so terrible. Germany was already being violent and horrible to Jewish people way before this boycott was even mentioned.

 

[Motherofkittens]

The u.k does not have freedom of speech in their law. I messed up the quotes. Its @naveed

 

[Strathos]

Calling for the extermination of any group or people is disgusting

What about serial killers?