Donald Trump indicted by Manhattan grand jury

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What could come out? Everyone knows he paid off the two women and the Feds looked at the case and decided there was not enough evidence to prosecute. This is not about justice it’s about politics
If that were all it was then you'd be right, however, Donald got greedy and tried to pass it off as a business expense and tax write-off (if I understand it correctly). I think he is being charged with filing false business documents and fraud.
 
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If that were all it was then you'd be right, however, Donald got greedy and tried to pass it off as a business expense and tax write-off (if I understand it correctly). I think he is being charged with filing false business documents and fraud.
If it doesn’t take him down it helps his chances of getting the nomination. If it does take him down it helps the Republicans chances of winning the White House next year. But none of that matters it’s all about justice, right?
 
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But none of that matters it’s all about justice, right?

Justice is portrayed as blind for a very good reason. Political ramifications should not be part of the calculus of whether to charge someone or not.
 
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... If it does take him down it helps the Republicans chances of winning the White House next year. But none of that matters it’s all about justice, right?
How so? It cant be because it will get R's motivated. Theyre already wound up to maximum over woke panic etc.
 
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How so? It cant be because it will get R's motivated. Theyre already wound up to maximum over woke panic etc.
If he is taken down it will help Republicans by getting the candidate that Democrats have the best chance of defeating out of the race. If he gets the nomination Democrats have a good chance of keeping the White House. But it would have to be something that keeps him from running.
 
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Justice is portrayed as blind for a very good reason. Political ramifications should not be part of the calculus of whether to charge someone or not.
You are way too intelligent to believe that this isn’t about politics.
 
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If it doesn’t take him down it helps his chances of getting the nomination. If it does take him down it helps the Republicans chances of winning the White House next year. But none of that matters it’s all about justice, right?
It matters, but not nearly as much as the rule of law and no man being above it.
 
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If he is taken down it will help Republicans by getting the candidate that Democrats have the best chance of defeating out of the race. If he gets the nomination Democrats have a good chance of keeping the White House. But it would have to be something that keeps him from running.
Why do you think that an indictment or even a conviction would keep him from running?
 
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You are way too intelligent to believe that this isn’t about politics. At least I thought so.
Was it political when Donald Trump's DOJ convicted Michael Cohen for crimes related to his payment to Stormy Daniels on Trump's behalf?
 
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Was it political when Donald Trump's DOJ convicted Michael Cohen for crimes related to his payment to Stormy Daniels on Trump's behalf?
Isn’t he going to be the star witness in this case?
 
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If he is taken down it will help Republicans by getting the candidate that Democrats have the best chance of defeating out of the race.....
Ah I can see that.

But thats the sketchy gambit some D's like to play by supporting and even funding the worst, most extreme candidates in the R primaries.
 
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If that were all it was then you'd be right, however, Donald got greedy and tried to pass it off as a business expense and tax write-off (if I understand it correctly). I think he is being charged with filing false business documents and fraud.
For the issue that Cohen pleaded guilty to, it was that the money came from the campaign's funds, or was not properly disclosed as a campaign contribution, thus breaking campaign finance law.

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On January 12, 2018, The Wall Street Journal reported that in October 2016, just before the 2016 United States presidential election, Michael Cohen, lawyer for then-presidential candidate Donald Trump, arranged a payment of $130,000 to inappropriate contentographic film actress Stormy Daniels to stop her disclosing an affair she and Trump allegedly had in 2006. Daniels had signed a non-disclosure agreement (NDA). At first, Cohen denied Trump had the alleged affair and sought to suppress the allegation based on the NDA, but a month later publicly acknowledged making the payment.

Besides the allegations of the affair itself, the acknowledged payment raised legal and ethical questions as to whether the payment violated federal campaign finance laws, either because the payment was not duly disclosed as a campaign contribution or because campaign funds may have been used towards the payment. On February 13, Cohen said he paid the money out of his own pocket, not as a campaign contribution; and that neither The Trump Organization nor the Trump campaign reimbursed him for making it. On April 5, Trump said he had no knowledge of Cohen's payment; but on April 26 admitted for the first time that Cohen represented him in "the Stormy Daniels deal". On May 2, Trump's new lawyer Rudy Giuliani said that Trump had reimbursed Cohen for the payment.

In August 2018, Cohen pleaded guilty to eight criminal charges, including a campaign finance violation for Daniels's payment. He stated under oath that he paid her "in coordination with and at the direction of a candidate for federal office". Cohen was sentenced to three years in federal prison on various charges, and was disbarred.
Stormy Daniels–Donald Trump scandal

If this is the focus of the charges, it really just is baffling that he wouldn't pay out of his own pocket. Could have saved him a lot of grief down the road.
 
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For the issue that Cohen pleaded guilty to, it was that the money came from the campaign's funds, or was not properly disclosed as a campaign contribution, thus breaking campaign finance law.


Stormy Daniels–Donald Trump scandal

If this is the focus of the charges, it really just is baffling that he wouldn't pay out of his own pocket. Could have saved him a lot of grief down the road.
Why did Stormy Daniels have to pay Trump? Didn’t he win a judgment against her?
 
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Why did Stormy Daniels have to pay Trump? Didn’t he win a judgment against her?

If you read the linked article you will see that she sued Trump from defamation and lost and had to pay his legal costs.
 
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Isn’t he going to be the star witness in this case?
Very likely he will be involved. Cohen undertook criminal activity on Trump's behalf. So it's not implausible that Trump is personally connected to this criminal activity.
 
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