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Don Jr’s Greenland MAGA ‘supporters’ included unhoused people who were offered free lunch, Danish press reports

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After his visit, Trump Jr. said Greenland residents “[love] America and Trump.” But multiple employees told DR News that Trump Jr.’s team handed MAGA hats to several people in front of Brugseni, a nearby grocery store, while inviting them to a free lunch at the hotel.​
Brugseni employees and long-time town residents told DR News they recognized many of the people photographed dining with Trump Jr.​
Tom Amtoft, a Nuuk resident of nearly three decades, told DR News that they are unhoused and elderly people who have difficulty making ends meet.​
It is nice that he paid for meals for homesless people and elderly, but pretty sick to imply they were Trump supporters

That is deception.
 

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After his visit, Trump Jr. said Greenland residents “[love] America and Trump.” But multiple employees told DR News that Trump Jr.’s team handed MAGA hats to several people in front of Brugseni, a nearby grocery store, while inviting them to a free lunch at the hotel.​
Brugseni employees and long-time town residents told DR News they recognized many of the people photographed dining with Trump Jr.​
Tom Amtoft, a Nuuk resident of nearly three decades, told DR News that they are unhoused and elderly people who have difficulty making ends meet.​
It is nice that he paid for meals for homesless people and elderly, but pretty sick to imply they were Trump supporters

That is deception.
“Oh, we’re going to believe the Danes!
IKYK
 
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This is beginning to look promising!

Is there any reason to believe that this wouldn't have been the case without the current drama? Denmark (and, by extension, Greenland) is a member of NATO and already cooperates closely with the US on defense matters.
 
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Trying to drum political support by offering handouts to people who are down on their luck financially?!?!

I've never heard of such a thing.

Thankfully none of our actually politicians would ever stoop so low as to do stuff like that...

For instance, none of our politicians would ever do something like buy McDonalds for 10 people, or work a soup kitchen for 20 minutes, or pick up trash near the side of the road, just long enough for a few good photo-ops and hand-shaking, and then promptly leave in a caravan of 3 Chevy Suburbans after the camera crew shouts "we got what we need, that's a wrap!"
 
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Trying to drum political support by offering handouts to people who are down on their luck financially?!?!
It sounds more like he was trying to manufacture the appearance of support than trying to actually generate it. As in "Look at all these Greenlanders wearing MAGA hats and sitting down to lunch with me! They love Trump here!" When in reality, they're people who were in need of a meal and didn't particularly care where it came from.
 
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It sounds more like he was trying to manufacture the appearance of support than trying to actually generate it. As in "Look at all these Greenlanders wearing MAGA hats and sitting down to lunch with me! They love Trump here!" When in reality, they're people who were in need of a meal and didn't particularly care where it came from.
That's still not far off from the tactics used by politicians though is it?

Conveying the appearance of support is, itself, a way to try to drum up additional support. It's what the Poli-Sci folks would call "The Bandwagon Effect"

For instance, when Eric Adams did an event/photo-op where he was giving out Christmas presents to underprivileged kids (and just so happened to show up with an NY Giants running back who'd be doing a meet & greet and signing autographs)

All for the purposes of being able to get photos where he's surrounded by a bunch of smiling people who appear very happy to see him.


Or the stereotypical thing of a politician wearing a hard hat a work site smiling with surrounded by a bunch of construction workers as to give the impression "blue collar workers really vibe with this guy"

The Don Jr PR stunt I actually find to be less shameless than the tactic (which I feel is the worst in this regard), which is the times when parents sign up their kids to be part of these efforts.


For instance, these sorts of things bother me more than the homeless soup thing...

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(you can see how "happy" some of them look to be there... Jimmy look at the camera and say "MAGA!", mama's gonna make this into a fridge magnet)


"Here kids, come sing this cringe song... we realize you guys are only aged 7-11, and have virtually zero knowledge of socioeconomic and geopolitical issues, but this is a vanity project for us so we can show our friends in our social circles what good people we are, so we're going to stand off in the corner and smile while you sing about things you don't understand, I'm sure this won't come back to bite you in the butt in 6 years when you're in a Jr. High and your classmates find this video"
 
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That's still not far off from the tactics used by politicians though is it?
Then I'm not sure what your point is other than your typical "Both sides bad!" - whataboutism contributes nothing to the thread.
 
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Is there any reason to believe that this wouldn't have been the case without the current drama? Denmark (and, by extension, Greenland) is a member of NATO and already cooperates closely with the US on defense matters.
Perhaps not. But the article does does show that Greenlanders are not phased by any kind of drama, and are willing to work with the president.

Also, I don't think it's far off to say that becoming a part of the United States would be a solid benefit to any modern country, because of our traditional "self-government" style principles... It's a very desirable quality as far as advanced civilizations go.
 
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Perhaps not. But others does show that they're not phased, and are willing to work with the president.
It's good to know that they're responding calmly to Trump's insanity, but that shouldn't even have to be a concern in the first place.
Also, I don't think it's far off to say that becoming a part of the United States would be a solid benefit to anyone, because of our traditional "self-government" principles... It's a very desirable quality.
Greenland already has self-government - It's literally referred to as a "self-governing territory of Denmark". Additionally, they have all the benefits of being part of Denmark as well as part of the EU. By all accounts, they have no interest in being part of the US.
 
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It's good to know that they're responding calmly to Trump's insanity, but that shouldn't even have to be a concern in the first place.

Greenland already has self-government - It's literally referred to as a "self-governing territory of Denmark". Additionally, they have all the benefits of being part of Denmark as well as part of the EU. By all accounts, they have no interest in being part of the US.
I'm not sure it's better to be a part of the EU, rather than the US. You really think it is?
 
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I'm not sure it's better to be a part of the EU, rather than the US. You really think it is?
There are benefits to both. Which is better depends on your priorities. The EU and Denmark offer significantly better social services and guaranteed benefits such as 5 weeks of paid leave per year. The US offers lower taxes and a stronger military.
 
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Then I'm not sure what your point is other than your typical "Both sides bad!" - whataboutism contributes nothing to the thread.
In this case, the only "sides" are the ones who think shameless political pandering is acceptable, and those who don't.

To my knowledge, every modern politician of all stripes at the federal/state level is on the same side for that one.

"Whataboutism", often times, is just the label that gets tossed out when people don't want to have to acknowledge the fact that they are engaging in "selective outrage"...which is really just the opposite side of the "whataboutism" coin, is it not?


"Let me pretend to be shocked and appalled by this thing that we all know tons of other politicians have done, because it happens to be from a person who's aligned with someone I don't like... and if people point out that it's odd for me to be so miffed about this one but didn't seem to care much about the past instances, we'll just toss out the whataboutism accusation"


The reason why so many people point out the double-standards in this regard, is specifically because it seems like 70% of the threads on here are created for no other purpose than to give the impression that there's something "uniquely bad" about one's ideological rivals.
 
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In this case, the only "sides" are the ones who think shameless political pandering is acceptable, and those who don't.
Not really - shameless political pandering is inevitable whether you like it or not, but trying to use it to justify acquiring another country's territory is crossing a line IMO.
"Let me pretend to be shocked and appalled by this thing that we all know tons of other politicians have done, because it happens to be from a person who's aligned with someone I don't like...
My objection to this particular instance of "political pandering" is related to how it's being used, not who's using it.
and if people point out that it's odd for me to be so miffed about this one but didn't seem to care much about the past instances, we'll just toss out the whataboutism accusation"
I'm not aware of any other recent instances of politicians faking support from people of another country in order to make a case for acquiring their territory. Unless you want to count Russia in Ukraine?
The reason why so many people point out the double-standards in this regard, is specifically because it seems like 70% of the threads on here are created for no other purpose than to give the impression that there's something "uniquely bad" about one's ideological rivals.
And when you repeatedly stretch to point out dubious examples of "double standards" as you did in this thread, people are significantly less likely to take you seriously.
 
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Perhaps not. But the article does does show that Greenlanders are not phased by any kind of drama, and are willing to work with the president.
Which is not to say that the Greenlanders appreciate being threatened with violent takeover or simple coercive threats from this president.
Also, I don't think it's far off to say that becoming a part of the United States would be a solid benefit to any modern country, because of our traditional "self-government" style principles... It's a very desirable quality as far as advanced civilizations go.
Our self-government style principles are not better than Greenland's self-government style principles. A big principle of self-government is not being taken over by a powerful neighboring country by military or economic coercion.
 
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Not really - shameless political pandering is inevitable whether you like it or not, but trying to use it to justify acquiring another country's territory is crossing a line IMO.
I'm not aware of any other recent instances of politicians faking support from people of another country in order to make a case for acquiring their territory.


Does it have to be a full-blown acquisition, or would a "militarily intervene so that a puppet regime, friendly to our interests, can be installed" type situation count?

Because US politicians have dabbled in that space more than just a few times in my lifetime and winning public support for such endeavors has always come with photo-ops and propaganda trying to convey the message of "see, they love us there, they want to be just like America!"

During the first exchange in Iraq we had (back when I was in elementary school), a piece of footage always stuck out in my mind, it was a group of impoverished Iraqis chanting "President Bush! President Bush!" (referring to HW Bush) on camera because the troops there had given them some MREs and water.
 
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Does it have to be a full-blown acquisition, or would a "militarily intervene so that a puppet regime, friendly to our interests, can be installed" type situation count?
Sure, we can count those.
Because US politicians have dabbled in that space more than just a few times in my lifetime and winning public support for such endeavors has always come with photo-ops and propaganda trying to convey the message of "see, they love us there, they want to be just like America!"
Such as? Because I would say that most of the people objecting to this publicity stunt also took issue with our "nation-building" exercises in Afghanistan and Iraq.
During the first exchange in Iraq we had (back when I was in elementary school), a piece of footage always stuck out in my mind, it was a group of impoverished Iraqis chanting "President Bush! President Bush!" (referring to HW Bush) on camera because the troops there had given them some MREs and water.
I was a toddler at the time, so I don't think I had any ability to form an opinion of those events. Again, you seem to be reaching for any opportunity to criticize people for being critical of Trump, to no particular end.
 
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