Domestic-Terrorism Bill Is ‘a Targeting of Almost Half of the Country’

[disciple Clint]

“It’s so dangerous as you guys have been talking about, this is an issue that all Democrats, Republicans, independents, Libertarians should be extremely concerned about, especially because we don’t have to guess about where this goes or how this ends,” Gabbard said.


She continued: “When you have people like former CIA Director John Brennan openly talking about how he’s spoken with or heard from appointees and nominees in the Biden administration who are already starting to look across our country for these types of movements similar to the insurgencies they’ve seen overseas, that in his words, he says make up this unholy alliance of religious extremists, racists, bigots, he lists a few others and at the end, even libertarians.” Tulsi Gabbard: Domestic Terrorism Bill Is ‘a Targeting of Almost Half of the Country’ | National Review

 

[FireDragon76]

Tulsi Gabbard has increasingly shown her true colors, she's a blue dog Democrat who would otherwise be Republican if not for her Pacific Islander status. In fact she's otherwise deeply conservative, having a history of favoring legislation that parallels socially conservative causes, such as opposition to rights for LGBT people.

And I disagree with her analysis. Half the country are not QAnon conspiracy theorists or Proud Boys.

 

[disciple Clint]

Tulsi Gabbard has increasingly shown her true colors, she's a blue dog Democrat who would otherwise be Republican if not for her Pacific Islander status. In fact she's otherwise deeply conservative, having a history of favoring legislation that parallels socially conservative causes, such as opposition to rights for LGBT people.

And I disagree with her analysis. Half the country are not QAnon conspiracy theorists or Proud Boys.

We are talking about something that impacts the civil rights of everyone in our nation. She said the proposed legislation could create “a very dangerous undermining of our civil liberties, our freedoms in our Constitution, and a targeting of almost half of the country.”

 

[Larniavc]

If you’re not a terrible white supremacy enthusiast you’ll be fine.

The people who this will make sweat are the baddies: who cares?

Stay safe, don’t be a baddy.

 

[hedrick]

Withdrawn

 

[com7fy8]

Two main parties not agreeing on anything . . . maybe like a divorce in progress, except the members of the parties are all mixed in with each other, not in the North and in the South, or in states with pure memberships, so there could be clearcut geographical splits. And yet, within each party there are groups against each other . . . another living ongoing divorce in progress, but not with geographic boundaries between groups.

So, they can't have separate nations, or different clearly divorced states.

And in a divorce, ones can each have their conspiracies, indeed.

But the conspiracies presented might not be the real ones. A real conspiracy might be to rig a fake one in order to harvest whoever can be fooled by it.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Domestic terrorism bill, that was inevitable though.

 

[disciple Clint]

If you’re not a terrible white supremacy enthusiast you’ll be fine.

The people who this will make sweat are the baddies: who cares?

Stay safe, don’t be a baddy.

Unfortunately as we have seen if is far too easy for administrations to weaponize the departments within the government and go after those with whom they have a difference of values or ideologies. We have in the past experienced misuse of the intelligence agencies, the department of justice, the internal revenue service, and the FISA courts.

 

[com7fy8]

that was inevitable though.

There might be the right thing to do, but do they have ones who are able to do it right?

 

[hedrick]

This seems to be the bill. https://schneider.house.gov/sites/schneider.house.gov/files/DTPA of 2021.pdf It uses existing definitions of terrorism and hate crime. It sets up offices to track it and report on it. I don’t see where the characterization in the OP comes from.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

There might be the right thing to do, but do they have ones who are able to do it right?

Well, things are broken, so they need to fix it anyway.

 

[FireDragon76]

Unfortunately as we have seen if is far too easy for administrations to weaponize the departments within the government and go after those with whom they have a difference of values or ideologies. We have in the past experienced misuse of the intelligence agencies, the department of justice, the internal revenue service, and the FISA courts.

Is it better that power be in the hands of evil-doers than a representative democracy? It's a zero sum game. White supremacists and QAnon cospiracy theorists aren't suddenly going to go away just because we don't take them seriously.

 

[friend of]

This is to target white people altogether.

 

[FireDragon76]

This is to target white people altogether.

Last time I checked Joe Biden is white... so if they were interested in keeping white people out of power, they failed...

Anyways, your attitude sort of proves the point. White nationalism is not on the fringe anymore.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Is it better that power be in the hands of evil-doers than a representative democracy? It's a zero sum game. White supremacists and QAnon cospiracy theorists aren't suddenly going to go away just because we don't take them seriously.

I googled it, apparently treason no longer has the death penalty. So indeed, they will not go away.

 

[disciple Clint]

This seems to be the bill. https://schneider.house.gov/sites/schneider.house.gov/files/DTPA of 2021.pdf It uses existing definitions of terrorism and hate crime. It sets up offices to track it and report on it. I don’t see where the characterization in the OP comes from.

what is it you do not see? Certainly you see the opportunity to abuse this just as FISA was abused and just as our spy capabilities were illegally used against our citizens by NSA.

 

[FireDragon76]

I googled it, apparently treason no longer has the death penalty. So indeed, they will not go away.

We've all been gaslighted by four years of nonsense. Case in point, in Trump's America, extremists who lead virtual insurgencies against reason were given things like a "Medal of Freedom". How Orwellian.

 

[FireDragon76]

what is it you do not see? Certainly you see the opportunity to abuse this just as FISA was abused and just as our spy capabilities were illegally used against our citizens by NSA.

Snowden can rot.

We need more surveillance to keep the honest people honest.

 

[disciple Clint]

Is it better that power be in the hands of evil-doers than a representative democracy? It's a zero sum game. White supremacists and QAnon cospiracy theorists aren't suddenly going to go away just because we don't take them seriously.

We have a DOJ that has been effective in the past against other subversive groups, we do not need give up our civil rights and reinvent the wheel.

 

[Larniavc]

This is to target white people altogether.

Nope. By the looks of the article Hendrick posted it’s just the bad one. The good ones will be fine.