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Does your church teach/preach end times stuff?

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by Hockey_Fan, Jan 19, 2009.



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  1. Hockey_Fan

    Hockey_Fan Man of Mystery

    Christian Seeker
    Does the church you attend regularly and openly discuss end times prophecies and how they might possibly relate to current events?

    My personal experience is that the majority of churches (at least in North America) do NOT. Such discussion seems to always take place in small, fringe groups and not within the mainline church itself. In fact, there seems to be no real consensus within many churches as to whether Jesus will return at all, much less within any of our lifetimes.

    So given the discussions on this and other boards, I am wondering what sort of churches DO teach and discuss items such as these? If you attend one that does, please list the type of church (denomination) for reference.

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  2. Covenant Heart

    Covenant Heart Principled Iconoclast

    Also Define...

    'how they might possibly relate to current events.'

    If there is one thing our pastor drills home, it is that clear, authoritative speaking will come across that pulpit. 'Might,' 'possibly' and 'relate' don't cut it with this guy. Still, he does teach a class on the kingdom of God. And he preaches on the Second Advent every Advent.

    Does that count?
  3. Super Kal

    Super Kal Christ is life

    United States
    no, he doesn't, to my knowledge... he's thoroughly convinced that no one's gonna be here to see it
  4. Hockey_Fan

    Hockey_Fan Man of Mystery

    Christian Seeker

    That is the impression I get as well. Not ruling out that any of these things could someday happen. But that it is so far off in the future, that no one living today will still be alive at that time.
  5. Covenant Heart

    Covenant Heart Principled Iconoclast

    I'm Not Sure Fan...

    is picking up on your sense. Maybe I'm misreading you, but 'no one to see it' sounds like a 'scortched earth' scenario? Is that the deal, or am I missing the point?
  6. Super Kal

    Super Kal Christ is life

    United States
    I talked to him on Sunday concerning something he said during his lesson on remodeling our lives... he is a dispentational premillennialist
  7. Covenant Heart

    Covenant Heart Principled Iconoclast

    What Can I Say?

    But you don't strike me as registering in that area...does pastor know?
  8. Super Kal

    Super Kal Christ is life

    United States
    I may disagree with him on Eschatology, but I know he loves God... the one thing I hold to is that it's not the view of Eschatology that saves us... it's Christ and Christ alone that saves us...

    and God put me in this church for a reason... the way He led me here, the people I've met, the situations and experiences that He's given me... the people in the church have been an incredible blessing, and I've grown so much where I am
    Last edited: Jan 19, 2009
  9. ezek33

    ezek33 Junior Member

    Awesome post Kal, this is exactly how i feel about my pastor and church.
  10. Covenant Heart

    Covenant Heart Principled Iconoclast

    You Sir, Have My Respect:

    Your decision as to where to be in church, as well as how to handle areas of differences, is exactly where it should be. It is a rare and blessed thing when people broach the issue of membership this way. Thank-God that membership still means something someplace!

    Agaom. Thank-you, Kal!
  11. Bible2

    Bible2 Guest


    Any church which claims to preach the gospel of Jesus Christ must
    at least preach the endtime prophecies of Mark 13, for they are an
    integral part of the book of Mark, and the entire book of Mark is "the
    gospel of Jesus Christ" (Mark 1:1).

    Any church which claims to consist of disciples of Jesus Christ must
    continually preach everything that Jesus taught, for Jesus said "If
    ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed" (John 8:31).
    The entire book of Revelation is from Jesus: "The Revelation of Jesus
    Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things
    which must shortly come to pass" (Revelation 1:1); "I Jesus have
    sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches"
    (Revelation 22:16).

    Any church which wants to keep its members from future deceptions
    must preach the endtime prophecies, for they were given to the
    church to keep it from future deceptions: "For false Christs and false
    prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if
    it were possible, even the elect. But take ye heed: behold, I have
    foretold you all things" (Mark 13:22-23). "Now we beseech you,
    brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our
    gathering together unto him, That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or
    be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us,
    as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any
    means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling
    away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
    Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or
    that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God,
    shewing himself that he is God" (2 Thessalonians 2:1-4).
    "If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark
    in his forehead, or in his hand, The same shall drink of the wine of
    the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup
    of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone
    in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
    And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and
    they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his
    image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. Here is the
    patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments
    of God, and the faith of Jesus" (Revelation 14:9-12).

    Some Christians, because they neither read the Bible themselves nor
    have been instructed in their churches regarding endtime prophecies,
    think that Jesus will return as a baby, instead of descending from
    heaven just as he ascended into heaven: "this same Jesus, which is
    taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye
    have seen him go into heaven" (Acts 1:11); "the Lord himself shall
    descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel,
    and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
    Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together
    with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air" (1 Thessalonians

    Not knowing how Jesus will return, or what events must accompany
    his return, some Christians could come to believe claims by the False
    Prophet of the Antichrist (Revelation 13:11-18, 19:20) that he (the
    False Prophet) is the second coming of Jesus, when they see the
    amazing miracles which the False Prophet will be able to perform
    (Revelation 13:13). Just as Nicodemus said to Jesus "we know that
    thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles
    that thou doest, except God be with him" (John 3:2), so could some
    Christians say to the False Prophet, "we know that you are from God,
    for no man can do these miracles that you do, except God be with
    him. If you say that you are Jesus returned, who are we to doubt
    you?". We must never let miracles be the basis by which we
    determine whether someone is from God or not, whether someone is
    teaching the truth or not; we must stick with what the scriptures
    themselves teach (John 8:31). Of course, this requires that we know
    what the scriptures themselves teach; we must read them, every
    last word of them (Matthew 4:4; 2 Timothy 3:16).
  12. Bible2

    Bible2 Guest

    The fulfillment of the endtime prophecies may not be that far off
    in the future, but could even begin next year. In the parable of
    the fig tree (Matthew 24:32-34), the fig tree could represent Israel
    (Hosea 9:10), and the rebudding of the fig tree could represent the
    re-establishment of Israel by U.N. Resolution in November, 1947.
    If Matthew 24:34 means that the generation that saw the re-
    establishment of Israel will not pass until the tribulation and second
    coming (Matthew 24:7-31) have been fulfilled, and if a generation
    usually passes after 70 years (Psalms 90:10), then Jesus could
    return a little less than 70 years after the re-establishment of Israel.
    He could return in the latter part of 2016. If the tribulation lasts
    about 7 years (Daniel 9:27a) before Jesus' return, then the
    tribulation could begin in 2010 and occur during the seven years of
    2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015 and 2016.

    This could be confirmed by the prophecy of the 70 "weeks"
    (Daniel 9:24-27). There the Hebrew word translated as "weeks" is
    derived from a word which means "to be complete", so that the
    70 "weeks" could be 70 "to be completed", which could be 70 years
    to be completed. These 70 years could have begun with the 1947
    U.N. "commandment to restore" Israel (Daniel 9:25a). Daniel 9:25
    could mean that Jesus will return 69 years after that commandment,
    that is, return in 2016. So, again, the tribulation could start in 2010.

    If the tribulation could start that soon, every church really needs
    to get cracking and make sure that all of its members are completely
    versed in all of the endtime prophecies, so that none of its members
    will fall into deception during the tribulation (Mark 13:22-23,
    Revelation 13:13-18).

    What do you think about these things?
  13. hiscosmicgoldfish

    hiscosmicgoldfish Liberal Anglican

    The churches that I have been at have been wise enough to have never mentioned anything about eschatology. The one reference to it was by a lay-person who mentioned the left behind books as being credible.
    The church I go to sometimes now, are mature enough people to leave interpretation of the Bible up to the individual, and that includes interpreting the prophets.
    I left a church some time ago, partly because of a dispensationalist eschatology, introduced as doctrine.. that Jesus will return to rule the earth.
    Or perhaps that is just millenialism, but it's wrong anyway and should not be a dogma or statement of faith.
  14. Bible2

    Bible2 Guest


    Note that it is wise to preach every word of the Bible (Matthew 4:4,
    2 Timothy 3:15-4:4) including its eschatological parts, such as
    Matthew 24, 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17, 2 Thessalonians 2,
    1 Corinthians 15:51-54, and Revelation chapters 6-22, which were
    given to the church for a reason (Mark 13:23, Revelation 1:1, 22:16).

    Then does that church at least preach what the Bible itself says,
    including in its eschatological parts? And does that church make no
    comments at all on what the Bible says? Are all the Sunday school
    classes and Bible studies and sermons in that church just plain
    readings from the Bible itself, with no comments, no interpretations,
    no explanations of the Bible readings at all from teachers or pastors?
    Then why has God placed Bible teachers and pastors in the Church?
    (Ephesians 4:11b).

    Note that the doctrine that Jesus will return to rule the earth (with
    the church) during the millennium (the 1000 years) is believed by
    non-dispensationalists as well, for it is taught by the Bible itself
    (Revelation 20:4-6, 5:10, 2:26-29). Why does one think that this is
    wrong? And shouldn't what the Bible teaches be dogma and a
    statement of faith? Why did Paul command 2 Timothy 4:2? Why did
    he make the warning of 1 Timothy 4:1? Isn't the Bible itself the
    infallible source of Christian faith and doctrine (Romans 10:17,
    2 Timothy 3:15-16), and the standard against which every teaching
    of every man must always be tested? (Acts 17:11b).
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