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God is not being put to the test, we are.
That was why God continued to perform signs and wonders for Israel, feed "heavenly bread" to them, even though they had been rescued out of Egypt. You can take a man out of Egypt, but taking Egypt out of a man is even more difficult. But the text says that although they ate the same spiritual food, and drank the same spiritual drink, as Joshua, they never benefited from it, never let the seed take root, never were born from above and with these people God was not pleased and their bones were scattered the wilderness.None of this happens outside of the working of God though.
Answered prayers are good. But for myself the best proof is change in me, demonstrated by fruit. The better I love, especially, the more I know God's working in me. While I think a high level of assurance is called for I object to an absolute certainty in light of human weakness, limitations, sin, etc. God is perfectly trustworthy and true while we're the wildcard in it all.I believe we can have assurance according to 1 John 3:18-23. The test is, ask yourself if your prayers are answered, because that will reveal whether you have a personal relationship with God and abide in Him.
Answered prayers are good. But for myself the best proof is change in me, demonstrated by fruit. The better I love, especially, the more I know God's working in me. While I think a high level of assurance is called for I object to an absolute certainty in light of human weakness, limitations, sin, etc. God is perfectly trustworthy and true while we're the wildcard in it all.
Hardly.I understand what you are getting at Phil, but this idea that you can be a perfect likeness of Christ is not biblical. He was the only begotten Son. To believe that you would have to remove most of the New Testament.
"Equal to Christ" is kind of a misnomer.Nobody is equal to Christ, and to claim that you are is blasphemy. I'm sorry but that's the truth. This was a heresy which was debated by the church early on, and found false. Nobody can be weighed in the balances with Jesus, the Jews and Christians have been saying that for thousands of years now.
Thank God for making a way for us to be Spiritual men instead of carnal men.[/QUOTE]Mercy, Faith, Love, Hope and the like are our imparted blessings. Carnal perfection doesn’t come until the seed genuinely dies!
Scripture. please.Paul even says he would have to leave this world to be free of sin!
God wants folks to love Him above all else...of our own free will.If God wanted robots, we were a failed creation! Love desires sincerity above “perfection”.
And as there is no sin in Christ, by necessity we can't have sin in us.We are in the Son... Who is our Head... thus the Son Of Man is our Head. We are the BOC!
Ok, agreed...so what is this in reference to?His Head is the Father, thus He is God.
We are not God.
Yes, PERFECT love.Correct, Sin is our fault.
Thank God Perfect Love casts out all fear!
That was why God continued to perform signs and wonders for Israel, feed "heavenly bread" to them, even though they had been rescued out of Egypt. You can take a man out of Egypt, but taking Egypt out of a man is even more difficult. But the text says that although they ate the same spiritual food, and drank the same spiritual drink, as Joshua, they never benefited from it, never let the seed take root, never were born from above and with these people God was not pleased and their bones were scattered the wilderness.
Sure it was God who worked through Moses, because Christ said it was God who gave them heavenly bread, not Moses, but Moses himself had to first come out of Egypt, be disgusted with mammon, in order to be a blessing to the world, the Old Testament Gospel .
Hebrews 11
24By faith Moses, when he had grown up, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh’s daughter,25choosing rather to endure ill-treatment with the people of God than to enjoy the passing pleasures of sin, 26considering the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures of Egypt; for he was looking to the reward.
(Reproach of Christ is the heavenly feeding, food from the Rock, but then, you already knew that, didn't you) .
I call grace the mercy of God.I see.
This is literally calling Grace a license to sin! It is unmerited favor offered to sinners! It is not Christs promotion of Sin!
Thank God for making a way for us to be Spiritual men instead of carnal men.
It is written..."4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his." (Rom 8:4-9)
The "seed" was killed in Romans 6:4.
Scripture. please.
God wants folks to love Him above all else...of our own free will.
Where is the "sincerity" in on-going sin?
And as there is no sin in Christ, by necessity we can't have sin in us.
Ok, agreed...so what is this in reference to?
Yes, PERFECT love.
Which sins manifest love?
I call grace the mercy of God.
And by His mercy we have been handed everything we need to remain faithfully obedient to Him.
Others use grace as excuse to sin.
Hardly.
If we are reborn of God's seed are we not also sons of God?
Jesus isn't ashamed to call us brethren, you know. (Heb 2:11)
I hope you don't think the "new creature" is the same as the old creature. (2 Cor 5:17)
It is written..."But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:" (John 1:12)
And..."For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God." (Rom 8:14)
"Equal to Christ" is kind of a misnomer.
Wasn't He made "equal to man" by His birth and death? Suffering all the things we endure on earth? Including temptation, anger, tiredness, hunger, and deprivation?
To claim an unlikeness to Christ seems worthy of a second death.
The scale others have "weighed" the proposition with didn't include us being new creatures.
Nobody will ever pray to me or thank me for escapes from sin, but we can have all that Jesus was privy to by our faith and obedience to God.
Rather than list verses I'll summarize some that I'm sure you know. We can be believers who've tasted of the heavenly fruit but later turned back away from God, branches grafted in but later cut off. We can be those who cried Lord, Lord...; we might be goats who thought they were sheep but did nothing for "the least of these", such as feeding the hungry or clothing the naked. Maybe we aren't "those who by perseverance in doing good seek for glory and honor and imortality, eternal life". Will we "invest" our talents? Will we have been vigilant, keeping oil in our lamps, will we strive, as Paul did, will we work out our salvation with fear and trembling? Or will we simply ignore or revise such passages that serve to warn us to walk the profession? Man's will is always involved.Ephesians 2:8-10 ; Romans 4:1-6 ; Luke 5:32 ; Matt 9:13 Cross References (37 Verses)
It seems pretty simple to me.
Philippians 4:19 ; Exodus 14:14
Which one?You’re reading it wrong... IMO
How does that insinuate that we must leave this world to be free from sin?1 Corinthians 5:9-11
Which one kept doing the sins?The Proud read this like a Pharisee.... (Luke 18:11)
The Humble understand the Matthew 23 of this matter. (Luke 18:13)
Men who still commit sin cannot say they have no sin. They are walking in darkness and not in the light.Perhaps this question would best be asked to men that boldly call God a liar. (1 Jn 1:8 Cross References (27 Verses))
John wrote what he wrote for the very reason that is being manifested.
1 Jn 1:8 Cross References (27 Verses)
Thank God we can walk in the Spirit instead of in the flesh!To say one is sinless in the flesh is to say one IS God.
That doesn't answer the question.1 Peter 4:8 is the correct doctrine.
You can't be carnal and righteous at the same time.IMO, Focusing on sin and being carnally righteous is the similitude of this Revelation 12:10 ; Isaiah 14:14 ; Ezekiel 28:14-17
Freedom from sin, and brotherhood with Christ is available to all men.Philippians 2 is being ignored here.
Equal to Christ? No man will ever be fit to untie His Sandals!
The Son of Man and Son of God is God the Son and God the Man!
Worthy of second Death? Isaiah 14:14!
Faith healing and the like all say a person isn’t righteous enough or with enough faith if they don’t experience x or y.
I’m not a fan of that rhetoric.
As for tests... 1 Peter 1:6-7 exalts that Faith (In Jesus Christ) is the most precious thing we can have... so, I’m good for that, idea.
I'm not sure whether you actually read my posts which explain my position.
I believe in justification by faith and sanctification by works.
Hardly.
If we are reborn of God's seed are we not also sons of God?
You can't show me any situation where God compels a loyal believer to obedience. I can show you where God feeds heavenly bread to all who come out of Egypt (indicated by confessing that serving it is worthless) and yet there were those who tasted spiritual food and drink (seen great works) fell away and were not able to repent, meta noia, be born again.What does this have to do with God's sovereignly working redemption in someone's life? He's the author and finisher of our faith. It's the Spirit of God that compels us to obedience; not whether or not we've successfully removed enough of "Egypt" from our lives.
You can't show me any situation where God compels a loyal believer to obedience. I can show you where God feeds all who come out of Egypt (indicated by confessing that serving it is worthless) and eclectic those who have tasted spiritual food and drink (great works) to repent, meta noia, be born again.
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