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Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by Douggg, Aug 15, 2019.

  1. Douggg

    Douggg anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist

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    The 1260 days and the 42 months are concurrent not consecutive. We know this because when the two prophets resurrect and rise into heaven that immediately and without delay the 7th trump sounds and Christ returns which means the 42 months have ended. There is not another 42 months still left for the two beasts.

    Rev 11:11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
    Rev 11:12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
    Rev 11:13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
    Rev 11:14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.
    Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
     
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  3. Douggg

    Douggg anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist

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    What is the third woe and how long does it last?
     
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    The 3rd woe is the 7th trump/second coming. It lasts for a day wherein the two beasts are destroyed along with their army. The beast is said to have the power to "continue" for 42 months so not more than that. The two prophets and the beast existed during the same time so the 1260 days is not something that happens before the 42 months begin.
     
  5. Douggg

    Douggg anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist

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    13 And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!

    Where in the text is the second coming called a woe to the inhabiters of the earth?

    What about the woe in the text to the inhabiters of the earth in Revelation 12 of Satan being cast down having a time, times, half time left? Where on the timeline does that woe fit in? Before or after the sounding of the 7th trumpet?

    Revelation 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
     
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    The 7th trump is called the third woe.

    Rev 11:14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.
    Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

    That isn't one of the three woe trumpets. Rev 12 occurs before the great tribulation begins.
     
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    Prophecy cannot tell you what is right or wrong. The strong delusion is facilitated by prophecy.

    The antichrist will use prophecy to buttress his claim to be the messiah.

    The 3rd woe is the 7th Trumpet which is the start of the kingdom of heaven. Just read Rev 12 straight through sequentially: 5th Trumpet (1st woe), then 6th Trumpet (2nd woe), then 7th Trumpet (3rd woe). 1335 days of the beast (starting at the 6th Seal), then 266 days 'pregnancy' results in the birth of the beast from the sea & earth, which occurs at the start of the 3rd woe. Subtract 1260 days to get the 1260 days of the 2 witnesses.

    Not sure what is so confusing.
     
  8. Douggg

    Douggg anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist

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    The fifth and sixth and seventh trumpets are not woes themselves. Their sounding announce the woes. What each woe is follows their sounding.

    Why isn't Satan being cast down, having a time, times, half time left, "woe to the inhabiters of the earth" in the text, the third woe announced by the seventh trumpet sounding?
     
  9. Douggg

    Douggg anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist

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    What about this notion...

    1260 days of the two prophets (Revelation 11:3)
    1260 days of Revelation 12:6 coincides

    The seventh trumpet sounds....

    God takes His power to take back the kingdoms of this world from Satan's hand.

    Starts dismantling Satan's kingdom, crashing it down to earth, with Satan having a time, times, half time left, having great wrath. The third woe.

    Coinciding with the 42 months rule of the beast.

    Ending when Jesus returns, the beast and false prophet cast into the
    lake of fire, Satan cast into the bottomless pit.
     
  10. tranquil

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    Here is what is going on at the start of the 7th Trumpet/ 3rd woe/ start of the kingdom of heaven:
    Matt 24
    36“But concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only. 37For as were the days of Noah, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 38For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark, 39and they were unaware until the flood came and swept them all away, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 40Then two men will be in the field; one will be taken and one left. 41Two women will be grinding at the mill; one will be taken and one left. 42Therefore, stay awake, for you do not know on what day your Lord is coming. 43But know this, that if the master of the house had known in what part of the night the thief was coming, he would have stayed awake and would not have let his house be broken into. 44Therefore you also must be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.

    45“Who then is the faithful and wise servant, whom his master has set over his household, to give them their food at the proper time? 46Blessed is that servant whom his master will find so doing when he comes. 47Truly, I say to you, he will set him over all his possessions. 48But if that wicked servant says to himself, ‘My master is delayed,’ 49and begins to beat his fellow servants and eats and drinks with drunkards, 50the master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he does not know 51and will cut him in pieces and put him with the hypocrites. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

    1“Then the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps and went to meet the bridegroom. 2Five of them were foolish, and five were wise. 3For when the foolish took their lamps, they took no oil with them, 4but the wise took flasks of oil with their lamps. 5As the bridegroom was delayed, they all became drowsy and slept. 6But at midnight there was a cry, ‘Here is the bridegroom! Come out to meet him.’ 7Then all those virgins rose and trimmed their lamps. 8And the foolish said to the wise, ‘Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out.’ 9But the wise answered, saying, ‘Since there will not be enough for us and for you, go rather to the dealers and buy for yourselves.’ 10And while they were going to buy, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the marriage feast, and the door was shut. 11Afterward the other virgins came also, saying, ‘Lord, lord, open to us.’ 12But he answered, ‘Truly, I say to you, I do not know you.’ 13Watch therefore, for you know neither the day nor the hour.

    The 'days of Noah' begin on 17 Iyar and go for 5 months. Starting at 17 Iyar, when you subtract 3.5 days for the 2 witnesses to lie dead, then subtract another 1260 days you get 24 Kislev when the 2 witnesses lay the foundation for the new temple (Haggai 2:18).
     
  11. Douggg

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    I have no idea of what you are attempting to communicate.

    Try again leaving out the dates and explain your view in progressive order.
     
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    The gathering of Christians (5 wise virgins) is taking place while the beast from sea & earth are gathering tares. During the 5 months of the 'days of Noah'.
     
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    It's the same thing.

    That doesn't make much sense...can you rephrase the question?
     
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    You skipped "the time of the judgment of the dead" in Revelation 11:18, which proves the Book of Revelation is not in chronological order.

    The beginning of chapter 12 is a history lesson, which contains the fall of Satan, and the birth and death of Christ.

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  16. Douggg

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    I can't relate any of that to a timeline. Present a timeline, of where those things fall on the 7 years timeline.
     
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  17. Douggg

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    I was not trying to prove the straight through reading of Revelation is in chronological order. It is not.

    Segments are, however.

    I don't know what you mean by "beginning" of chapter 12.

    In any case, I wasn't referring to the first five verses of Revelation 12:1-5.

    The 1260 days in Revelation 12:6 is end times.
     
  18. ewq1938

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    Because Rev 12 is before the GT even starts and the 3rd woe is the end of the GT.
     
  19. Douggg

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    What woe # is the woe to the inhabiters of the earth in Revelation 12:12 ?

    What is your proof that Revelation 12:12 is before the great tribulation?

    And what is your proof that the 3rd woe is the end of the Great Tribulation?

    Are you claiming the time, times, half times in Revelation 12:14 is before the great tribulation?
     
  20. ewq1938

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    It isn't part of the three woe trumpets. It's just the word woe because Satan is coming to the Earth.

    Because the last verse shows Satan going off to start the GT.


    The return of Christ obviously ends the Gt...he said so in the OD and it is clear in Rev as well.



    Yes, all of Rev 12 is before the GT begins. Rev 13 shows the beginning of the GT, and Rev 11 shows the end.
     
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