Does the Bible teach us there is a Hell?

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Hell is very real. Scripture and Tradition attests to it. I think to deny the existence of Hell is to be a heretic.

However, I believe that Hell isn't literally a place of fire, but that fire is used to describe Hell so we understand that this is a terrible place and the suffering there is intense.
 
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Enoch went to heaven, but I see it as he will be one of the two witnesses and then rise at the earthquake hour/7th trumpet when all of the church/saints rise and get made immortal.


Yes, my friend, I believe I posted the only two exceptions of both Enoch and Elijah, who are the only two people to go to heaven during OT times, for the reasons I posted at the time.


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Question:

What does progressive Christianity have to say about the concept of hell that seems so central to so many other forms of historic and current Christianity?


Answer: By Roger Wolsey





Dear Reader,

That is an excellent question and we progressive Christians really would do well to have some thought out responses when our more evangelical friends ask us about these matters – as well as our agnostic, atheist, and spiritual but not religious friends ask us this same question. As with so many things, progressive Christianity doesn’t have any official stance about this, but it does seem to be the case that most progressive Christians do not have a concept of hell as part of their faith and practice. I cannot speak for all of progressive Christianity, but I can share how this progressive Christian understands things – hell isn’t even part of the Bible and shouldn’t be a part of Christianity. To be blunt about it, let me repeat, Hell isn’t Christian – or Jewish. It’s pagan.

The modern English word Hell is derived from Old English hel, helle (about 725 AD to refer to a nether world of the dead) reaching into the Anglo-Saxon pagan period, and ultimately from Proto-Germanic *halja, meaning “one who covers up or hides something”.[2] The word has cognates in related Germanic languages such as Old Frisian helle, hille, Old Saxon hellja, Middle Dutch helle (modern Dutch hel), Old High German helle (Modern German Hölle), Danish, Norwegian and Swedish helvede/helvete (hel + Old Norse vitti, “punishment” whence the Icelandic víti “hell”), and Gothic halja.[2] Subsequently, the word was used to transfer a pagan concept to Christian theology and its vocabulary[2] (however, for the Judeo-Christian origin of the concept see Gehenna). Some have theorized that English word hell is derived from Old Norse hel.[2] However, this is very unlikely as hel appears in Old English before the Viking invasions. Furthermore, the word has cognates in all the other Germanic languages and has a Proto-Germanic origin.[3] Among other sources, the Poetic Edda, compiled from earlier traditional sources in the 13th century, and the Prose Edda, written in the 13th century by Snorri Sturluson, provide information regarding the beliefs of the Norse pagans, including a being named Hel, who is described as ruling over an underworld location of the same name.”

Jesus didn’t speak of Hell, but rather, of Gehenna, as a potential punishing realm for those deemed unworthy. Gehenna was the name of the burning garbage pits outside of Jerusalem. Jesus was speaking in hyperbole in such instances – as a teaching tool to help some people be motivated to do right in this life; i.e., as a metaphorical stick. That said, he rarely spoke about “the stick” and spent far more time offering “the carrot” – describing the kingdom of God/Heaven and the merits and blessings of living in godly ways that demonstrate we’re living “kingdom lives” in God’s beloved community and realm.

“The truth of the matter is that there is not one single word in the Hebrew and Greek Manuscripts of the Bible that means hell. …hell is a man-invented, pagan, unchristian, heretical belief that was first embraced and christianised by Roman Catholicism, and incorporated into the Bible by Jerome through his Latin Vulgate in the early history of Christianity.“

As a Jew, Jesus likely believed that human souls go to “sheol” – a nebulous, ethereal, and neutral realm that is thought to lie beneath the surface of the earth. Sheol being the place where all souls reside/rest/sleep until the judgment day where, in the Christian case, “Jesus returns to judge the quick and the dead.” But even those who go to hades, according to Revelation, don’t experience “eternal suffering” as “hell” itself becomes swallowed up and obliterated".

That said, I – along with many other Christians – am agnostic about the afterlife. I don’t know if there’s a heaven or a hell. I rather suspect that the only hells that exist are the ones that we create and allow at this time – and there are far too many of those.

I don’t follow Jesus in order to go to heaven when I die -- or conversely, to avoid going to hell. That’s a cheap form of faith that is really nothing more than fire insurance. I follow Jesus here and now for the sake of experiencing salvation (which means “wholeness” and “healing”) here and now – and to help others do the same.

To the extent that I think that salvation has anything to do with what happens after we die, I believe in universal salvation. William Barclay wrote a classic essay arguing for this showing how this is biblically based. See: “Why I am a Convicted Universalist”

For many progressive Christians, going to heaven after we die, isn’t the cake, it’s merely the icing on the marvelous cake that is life’s majestic pageant here and now. We’re called to live “kingdom lives” (lives in sync with and that reflect God’s Beloved Community) – now – trusting that whatever happens afterward will take care of itself.

To those who say that it’s important to hold fast to Jesus’ teaching about “eternal” life. It is my understanding that the koine Greek words “perisson/perissos” that are often translated as “eternal” in English also mean “abundant/full” and so it’s as much about a state and quality of being here and now as it is about infinite perpetual time. With this in mind, I tend to emphasize our invitation to experience abundant life by following the way and teachings of Jesus.

~ Roger Wolsey
 
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There is a Temporal Hell and a Permanent one, as documented in the following:

The Bible teaches us, the real existence of hell is irrefutably taught in Scripture as both a place of the wicked dead and a condition of retribution for unredeemed man. It is plain that 'to die in sin' is a dreadful thing. [e.g. Ez.3:18; NIV footnote].

That is true. Hell is real. Literal fire and brimstone, literal torment , literal body and soul

"He is able to DESTROY both body AND soul in fiery hell" - Matt 10:28

All of it literal - all of it happens in Rev 20 -- Lake of fire.






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Sheol is not another word for hell. Sheol is a poetic word used in the Old Testament to where people went when they died. Please give Hebrew Scriptures the respect they deserve.

That is true of course -- amen!
 
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No one went to heaven during OT times.

No one except Enoch, Elijah and Moses.

And Elijah and Moses stand WITH Christ in Matt 17 - in glorified form - in glory with Christ.

Because as Gal 1:6-9 points out - only ONE Gospel.
And Gal 3:8 "The Gospel was preached to Abraham"
John 8 "Abraham rejoiced to see My day - he saw it and was glad"

One Gospel - in both NT and OT.

See it in the OT form of the NEW Covenant - Jeremiah 31:31-36
 
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Did I get the thread in the wrong slot? If so, please accept my apology. I suspect if that is the case, the mods will move it if they so desire to do so, don't you think?

The thread was placed here to share what the Scripture teach us about Hell.

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You realize that all of Matthew 25 is about the end of the world? The parable about the ten virgins is not about the time of the great tribulation. It is about the time that the whole chapter is set -when the wicked go to everlasting punishment.


Mt.25 is about the bride making herself ready for the bridegroom, as recorded in Rev.19:7-8, pertaining to their marriage. Those with the oil burning in their lanterns represent believers in Jesus. Those without oil in their lanterns, are those left to go through the tribulation. The parable is not about the end of the world. The 1,000 year reign of Christ will follow the tribulation immediately, before the Great White Throne Judgment, which marks the end of this age, and of the present heaven and earth. All those not found in the book of life, in temporal Hell, will be thrown into the permanent lake of fire, according to Rev.20:16 and 21:1.


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Yes it does,and it was created for the devil and his demons.
The thought of anyone suffering forever there makes me cringe.


"Yes it does," what? Are you attempting to refute what I wrote in post 35. If so, it will take much more than personal opinion.


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"Yes it does," what? Are you attempting to refute what I wrote in post 35. If so, it will take much more than personal opinon

Yes the bible does speak of hell.
 
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