Does the bible ever declare that being black is a curse from God??

[TasteForTruth]

Not fair or unfair. Just a state of being, for Jews and Gentiles alike.

So what is the "state of being" that is the basis for God's holding the sins of my great-great-grandparents over my head?

 

[drstevej]

Read my previous post. That is my impression of it. To me it seems as if He did things in that order so that in the end He could say His own received Him not. Not because Gentiles were "lesser". Remember the Samaritan woman

Perzackerly right

 

[drstevej]

So what is the "state of being" that is the basis for God's holding the sins of my great-great-grandparents over my head?

I don't know about you but I had plenty of my own sins to make me guilty.

 

[motherprayer]

I don't know about you but I had plenty of my own sins to make me guilty.

I know, right? Me too. It doesn't really make much difference that my grandfathers were sinners lol

 

[TasteForTruth]

I don't know about you but I had plenty of my own sins to make me guilty.

I know, right? Me too. It doesn't really make much difference that my grandfathers were sinners lol

Tossing accolades at one another does not address the issue. For what purpose does God hold the sins of our progenitors over us? What is the basis for such a disposition? It is a simple question.

 

[motherprayer]

Tossing accolades at one another does not address the issue. For what purpose does God hold the sins of our progenitors over us? What is the basis for such a disposition? It is a simple question.

Ezekiel 18. He doesn't

 

[TasteForTruth]

Ezekiel 18. He doesn't

Your response is to send me to read an entire chapter in the OT? And suppose I read it an come away with an understanding that He, indeed, does? What good has your response been?

I understand that you feel that God does not hold the sins of our progenitors over our heads, but that seems to be at odds with what God, Himself, has said. Rather than send me off on a reading assignment, please quote the portion of Ezekiel 18 that you feel answers the question and share with us why you feel it does. That is good forum etiquette.

 

[TasteForTruth]

<edit> Seems that if Nephi was a racist, He can't do any worse than God, who says that He holds over the heads of unborn peoples the sins of their great-great grandparents. Do you have any idea what God means by that?

 

[peebly63]

Maybe. Maybe not. Seems that if Nephi was a racist, He can't do any worse than God, who says that He holds over the heads of unborn peoples the sins of their great-great grandparents. Do you have any idea what God means by that?

I think it was a demonstration of the fact he is eternal and easily spans many generations, i think it also demonstrates the decision you make for yourself echo through other generations, so its important to teach your children to follow God and they will teach their children..

but again compared to claiming God is a racist like nephi does is totally different

 

[drstevej]

Maybe. Maybe not. Seems that if Nephi was a racist, He can't do any worse than God, who says that He holds over the heads of unborn peoples the sins of their great-great grandparents. Do you have any idea what God means by that?

Nephi is not the racist. He describes a deity who is racist. Not the same.

 

[drstevej]

Maybe. Maybe not. Seems that if Nephi was a racist, He can't do any worse than God, who says that He holds over the heads of unborn peoples the sins of their great-great grandparents. Do you have any idea what God means by that?

You might start a new thread for that issue.

 

[TasteForTruth]

I think it was a demonstration of the fact he is eternal and easily spans many generations, i think it also demonstrates the decision you make for yourself echo through other generations, so its important to teach your children to follow God and they will teach their children..

Are you saying that every soul for up to four generations will follow in the same steps as their progenitors, without variation whatever?

 

[TasteForTruth]

Nephi is not the racist. He describes a deity who is racist. Not the same.

Nephi's God is no more racist that Jesus, who would not send His gospel messengers to the Gentiles until after the resurrection.

 

[TasteForTruth]

You might start a new thread for that issue.

It is very much germane to the OP. Very much!

 

[drstevej]

It is very much germane to the OP. Very much!

Not really...

Does the bible ever declare that being black is a curse from God??

 

[drstevej]

Nephi's God is no more racist that Jesus, who would not send His gospel messengers to the Gentiles until after the resurrection.

You do not understand Messianic prophecy or the ministry of Christ. There is no racism in His actions. He cast out demons but He never turned anyone black as a curse.

 

[TasteForTruth]

Not really...

Does the bible ever declare that being black is a curse from God??

When and how dark skin was introduced among Adam and Eve's children is not detailed in the Bible. Or do you believe it is?

Or is it the other way around? Were Adam and Eve of dark skin, and light skin was introduced somewhere down the line... Does the Bible detail these issues?

 

[motherprayer]

Are you saying that every soul for up to four generations will follow in the same steps as their progenitors, without variation whatever?

Not seeing how you gathered that from his comment. But, with regard to people following the steps of their forefathers (so to speak), have you ever heard of "The Cycle of Abuse"?

 

[TasteForTruth]

Not seeing how you gathered that from his comment. But, with regard to people following the steps of their forefathers (so to speak), have you ever heard of "The Cycle of Abuse"?

I sure have. Seems that God's curse upon the unborn children of the wicked does, in fact, hold to the third and fourth generation, just like He said.

 

[motherprayer]

I sure have. Seems that God's curse upon the unborn children of the wicked does, in fact, hold to the third and fourth generation, just like He said.

It only holds if they choose to hold it. Breaking the cycle.