Does morality exist without God?

[someguy14]

And offering a place of eternal life, joy and goodness would be great, if such a place actually existed.

It does exist. Are you interested in it?

Wow, three uncited sources in a 2,000 year old holy book is proof for you?

Absolutely. It is true in all believers in God.
I am living proof of Gods word.

Prove the Gospel is historically accurate in that regard. There is no extra-biblical evidence to show that Jesus even existed at all. Plenty of historical evidence contradicts what the bible has to say. It is not a reliable historical document, it's a book of mythology.

Some "Iranians" have claimed that the holocaust never happened. Pictures have been produced and witnesses.

And no, if we discover something new, we didn't receive anything. It was there all along, we just didn't know about it until now.

It already is and yet mankind happened upon it. Receiving the knowledge. Receiving facts. One that was and is and always be aware of all, and yet mankind must "discover" it.

 

[someguy14]

So you mean The Flying Spaghetti Monster (cheese be upon him)?

Noodles are a good, if pure. The Source of all goodness, Himself, The Creator of all, is God.
A noodle is a creation, and perishes. The Creator of all is eternal and the only One worthy of all thanks.

 

[someguy14]

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[Eudaimonist]

How is that incorrect from your point of view?

Just for starters, John 14:6. Read the New Testament, and you'll see plenty more than simply "kindness" being taught, and more than kindness that is demanded.

Ask yourself this: would Buddhism (which also teaches kindness) be an acceptable substitute for Christian teachings, in your view?

Or let's say that an atheist was promoting kindness as a virtue. Would your reaction be: "Oh, that's perfectly okay, then. You don't need to become Christian or to read the Bible at all now."


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[someguy14]

Just for starters, John 14:6. Read the New Testament, and you'll see plenty more than simply "kindness" being taught, and more than kindness that is demanded.

John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

God The Father.
Gods Word. The Son.
Gods Spirit. The Holy Spirit.

The Father.
The Son.
The Holy Spirit.

Spoke into existence. God fulfilled all of Gods promises. Gods Word is true.

 

[someguy14]

Ask yourself this: would Buddhism (which also teaches kindness) be an acceptable substitute for Christian teachings, in your view?


eudaimonia,

Mark

Buddhism teaches a method and promotes a reincarnation. A promotion of worldly gain, lust. Does not commit to an answer for a life void of wickedness. Wickedness is not a necessity. It focuses on how to gain advantage in a perishing world. Gives credit to none except how many works it can do to gain a better life. Reincarnation is a fable taught by those that fear, with doubt. Claiming to be content, for gain in a perishing world. Where death remains. Glorifying creation instead of the creator.

If I actually do a study of their writings, I can give you a better example of how it fails without God. God is essential. Perhaps you have a few writs to suggest how your comparing buddhism to Christianity?

 

[Eudaimonist]

Buddhism teaches a method and promotes a reincarnation. A promotion of worldly gain, lust.

No, it does not.

If I actually do a study of their writings, I can give you a better example of how it fails without God. God is essential. Perhaps you have a few writs to suggest how your comparing buddhism to Christianity?

I recommend that you simply study Buddhism. You can start by studying metta.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[someguy14]

Or let's say that an atheist was promoting kindness as a virtue. Would your reaction be: "Oh, that's perfectly okay, then. You don't need to become Christian or to read the Bible at all now."


eudaimonia,

Mark

In order to "promote" true pure kindness, one must admit that the source of kindness is the one to blame for kindness. Perhaps there are many many views that have not been explored yet by mankind. Regardless of whether you are aware of where one thing comes from or not, it is wise to say, that where it comes from, it's source, it is a great idea and "I find many uses for it". "Thank you for introducing this beautiful idea".

 

[Eudaimonist]

John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

God The Father.
Gods Word. The Son.
Gods Spirit. The Holy Spirit.

The Father.
The Son.
The Holy Spirit.

Spoke into existence. God fulfilled all of Gods promises. Gods Word is true.

You see? There is a hell of a lot of dogma that goes along with any teaching of kindness in the New Testament.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[someguy14]

No, it does not.


eudaimonia,

Mark

How so? Does it not promote reinincarnation?

 

[Eudaimonist]

Regardless of whether you are aware of where one thing comes from or not, it is wise to say, that where it comes from, it's source, it is a great idea and "I find many uses for it". "Thank you for introducing this beautiful idea".

But that wasn't the issue. I can appreciate that Christians teach kindness (sure, thanks), but that doesn't mean that I have to approve of Christianity as a whole.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[someguy14]

I recommend that you simply study Buddhism. You can start by studying metta.


eudaimonia,

Mark

Metta. Love for self and loved ones and friends and family members. It is lacking one thing, love for the Creator of Love itself. As I mentioned before, how arrogant would one have to be to consider oneself good, when one is in fact born into what already is? Where is the self glorying and gathered glorying in professing a mere human is worthy of credit for what already is and given them? Vainity upon vanity. Pleasing oneself is, in other words, worthless. Meaningless.

 

[ABlessedAnomaly]

Just for starters, John 14:6. Read the New Testament, and you'll see plenty more than simply "kindness" being taught, and more than kindness that is demanded.

Ask yourself this: would Buddhism (which also teaches kindness) be an acceptable substitute for Christian teachings, in your view?

Admittedly I'm coming into this in the middle without having invested the time to read all the posts. But...

The Christian Gospel message is not simply about "kindness." You don't make it to heaven, more to the point you are not saved, by being kind or doing good.

Man fell by transgressing God's law. God gave man a choice (He could have created us without a choice, or He could have put us in a garden without the tree...but that's just fantasy "what-ifs" Let's stick to reality -- or perhaps from your pov, the reality of the tale (if you assume the Bible to be mere fiction, then to talk about it's story you must stay within the confinds of the fiction and not make up your own). So man transgressed God's law and sinned. This broke the relationship with God. God sought to restore that relationship and thus sent His Son to make a blood sacrifice (life is in the blood) on our behalf -- He paid the price that we would have had to pay so that we could be imputed the righteousness (right-standing) that He has.

So it is not "kindness" that saves us. It is Jesus' sacrifice. Buddism does not have this sacrifice. Hinduism does not have this sacrifice. Muslims do not have this sacrifice. You must accept that Jesus is God and that He died to pay for your sins and that He rose again from the grave (for without the resurrection you are still in your sin -- 1 cor 15:17).

The Christian salvation is based upon this sacrifice, and no other religion has this to offer. So Christianity stands alone: either to be accepted or to be rejected. To be a lie, or to be true.


btw....hi Mark; nice to meet you!!

 

[someguy14]

You see? There is a hell of a lot of dogma that goes along with any teaching of kindness in the New Testament.


eudaimonia,

Mark

Dogma?
Im saying that all came from God and all is God. Jesus says that all is of God only. Why callest thou me good, there is only one that is good, God.

God is God. Gods spoken word, Gods Spirit. All God. God alone.
Gods Word. Do you notice how important the virgin birth is? Proof that God is able to do all things. God spoke it all into existance.

Dogma and Morals is an interesting read, though confusion only promotes divisions. Light must have its time, all truth will be revealed.

 

[someguy14]

Admittedly I'm coming into this in the middle without having invested the time to read all the posts. But...

Welcome friend!

Armour up. Truths are sought and God offers all of them.

 

[someguy14]

But that wasn't the issue. I can appreciate that Christians teach kindness (sure, thanks), but that doesn't mean that I have to approve of Christianity as a whole.


eudaimonia,

Mark

All of Christ teachings desire to bring all to love and goodness. You and me, friend. God is the only good. The creator of all things is the only one to thank.
He loves you very much, and I can guarantee, when all else fails, He is there with Love and open arms to help in any good way he can friend.

 

[Eudaimonist]

Dogma?
Im saying that all came from God and all is God. Jesus says that all is of God only. Why callest thou me good, there is only one that is good, God.

God is God. Gods spoken word, Gods Spirit. All God. God alone.
Gods Word. Do you notice how important the virgin birth is? Proof that God is able to do all things. God spoke it all into existance.

All that is dogma. It's a perfect example. Thanks.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Eudaimonist]

As I mentioned before, how arrogant would one have to be to consider oneself good, when one is in fact born into what already is? Where is the self glorying and gathered glorying in professing a mere human is worthy of credit for what already is and given them? Vainity upon vanity. Pleasing oneself is, in other words, worthless. Meaningless.

There is nothing "vain" or "self-glorying" about metta. It's not about "considering oneself good", but about being kind towards others.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Freodin]

He loves you very much, and I can guarantee, when all else fails, He is there with Love and open arms to help in any good way he can friend.

Maybe if he loves me so very much, he could start to help with love and open arms and yadda yadda before all else fails.

 

[someguy14]

All that is dogma. It's a perfect example. Thanks.


eudaimonia,

Mark

So without God, morals don't exist?