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Does Mitt Romney's Morman Faith Make a Differance to You?

Discussion in 'Current News & Events' started by Faith.Man, May 1, 2011.

  1. Faith.Man

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  2. Almighty's humble servant

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    Mitt's faith makes no diff to me. There are only 2 republicans worth considering over Obama for President.

    Huckabee and RON Paul(that kid of his is a real flake).
     
  3. Faith.Man

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    The few times of heard Rand, he seemed reasonable and thoughtful. Maybe I'm missing something. As for Huckabee, I would probably reluctantly vote for him. Ron Paul seems okay. I just not thrilled with the Republican field. On the other hand, the Democratic field is downright scary.
     
  4. Almighty's humble servant

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    I live in KY and I have heard some seriously outrageous things said by Rand.
    His personal life seems to be in good order, but his political agenda seems to promote less benefits for the poor and less taxes for the filthy rich.

    But yeah Huck is great, and so is Ron. Too bad Huck cares too much for the poor, and will thus NEVER be nominated by the poor hating neocons.
     
  5. Faith.Man

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    You see, this is the problem. You wrongly assume that the government is the only source for solving problems. There are many private non-profit organizations that could do the job of protecting the poor without the governments bloated overhead. That's the real difference between Libertarians (and some Conservatives) and the Liberal Democrats. Civil discourse is impossible if one group demonizes the other.
     
  6. Incariol

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    Rand? Rand al'Thor?

    I'd vote for the Dragon Reborn.

    [​IMG]

    tee-hee! couldn't resist. :p
     
  7. Michael Snow

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    I thnk it was Luther who said, "I'd rather be ruled by a competent Turk than by an incompetent Christian."
     
  8. Jase

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    I think Huckabee's religion is more likely to get in the way then Romney. I think he's a bit too conservative and would be more likely to make decisions purely based on his beliefs. And I think that's wrong for a President of a secular nation founded on Separation of Church and State.
     
  9. Bryne

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    Nope...not at all.
     
  10. AlexBP

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    I'd say that it sure is. I can't help but recall G. K. Chesterton's famous essay on Mormonism, and in particular this part of it:
    Our real error in such a case is that we do not know or care about the creed itself, from which a people’s customs, good or bad, will necessarily flow. We talk much about “respecting” this or that person’s religion; but the way to respect a religion is to treat it as a religion: to ask what are its tenets and what are their consequences. But modern tolerance is deafer than intolerance. The old religious authorities, at least, defined a heresy before they condemned it, and read a book before they burned it. But we are always saying to a Mormon or a Moslem–”Never mind about your religion, come to my arms.” To which he naturally replies–”But I do mind about my religion, and I advise you to mind your eye.”
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    Historians seem to have completely forgotten the two facts– first, that men act from ideas; and second, that it might, therefore, be as well to discover which ideas.
    Since I am a Christian I must believe that a person's religion is important. People of different religions acts differently because they believe different things. Before I vote to put of Mormon in the White House, it's worth asking what he actually believes in. If I find that Mormon doctrine historically insists that they 'Prophet' and 'Apostles' are supreme because of being in direct contact with God, that they perceive themselves as having the authority to override the basic teachings of the gospels, and so forth, that has bearing on whether I'd want one governing my country. To me this is bleedingly obvious.

    Consider a few facts about Mormon history. Consider, for instance, the fact that until 1978 the Mormons taught that black skin was god's curse for moral inferiority. If Romney was a believing Mormon then he believed this for half his life. Consider that the leadership of the LDS church is constantly rewriting its own history to cover up embarrassments and that a lot of what they say is flatly untrue. Do we want a person who plays along with that sort of thing to lead our country?
     
  11. homewardbound

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    A difference? Yes.
    A deterrent? Not necessarily.
     
  12. Faith.Man

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    Well I'm not a fan of Romney for reasons other than his faith. So I would assume you would not vote for Obama because he spent 20 years under the Rev. Jeremiah Wright and his Black Liberation theology sermons, right?
     
  13. AlexBP

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    In the case of Obama we would need to investigate exactly what Obama believed. In a Christian church there is no specific guarantee that a person in the pews believes the exact same things as the person at the pulpit. By contrast, the LDS Church specifically defines what its members are expected to believe and do, including things such as tithing ten percent, attending temple ceremonies, missionary work, and so forth. If Romney did not do these things, he would not be permitted to remain a church member in good standing. So if Romney repeatedly affirms his allegiance to the LDS Church (and he does) then he also affirms that the Church has the authority to decide what he says, does, and thinks.

    That said, it would be foolish to evaluate Obama or any other candidate for high office while completely ignoring that person's faith and pretending that it doesn't have any relevance to how he'll act in office. That's the entire point of the eassy by Chesterton that I linked to in my first post.
     
  14. new_wine

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    I would not vote for him no matter what faith he was or if he had none at all.
     
  15. Faith.Man

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    So you don't believe 20 years under the hate-filled speech from the pulpit of the Rev. Wright is relevant? Black Liberation Theology is acceptable Christianity to you, right? How can we believe what President Obama says?
     
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  16. AlexBP

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    Is this thread about Mitt Romeny's religion or Barack Obama's? I've already explained my positions on both and why I have them. I any case I've only ever heard a few sentences from Rev. Wright and I'd bet the same is true for you; I've no idea what the guy is like.
     
  17. Almighty's humble servant

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    There are literally HOURS of his sermons and services and speeched on youtube.

    Yes, this thread is about Romney and his mormon faith, but someone brought up Wright and BLT.

    i am fairly sure that MOST of us here, if listening to Rev Wright without our own preconceived political and socio-economic views would tend to agree with Rev Wright's teaching. If for nothing else, when the man preaches the Gospel, and leaves out the race card, he's usually very good.

    But yeah, this is about Romney, and until about a dozen or so years ago, most churches spoke boldly against the teachings of the LDS church and the mormon belief system. Today is a different day though as more and more Christians seem to be letting their political leanings affect their judgement irt to their faith.
     
  18. Candide

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    I have no problems voting for a Mormon, Muslim, or atheist.

    Voting for a Republican, on the other hand, is something that would challenge my morality and Christian faith, in most cases. There are some exceptions (like Mitch Daniels), but those are few and far between.
     
  19. Archivist

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    The fact that Mitt Romney is a Morman would not play a role in my decision to either vote for or against him.

    When John F. Kennedy ran for President there were many who opposed him because he was a Roman Catholic. I don't think that made any difference in his performance as President.
     
  20. Faith.Man

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    I disagree with you and your assessment of Reverend Wright. He's not teaching Christianity as I know it. He's just another false teacher, a wolf among sheep.

    My reasons for not voting for Romney have nothing to do with religion, but everything to do with his politics. He is a RINO. In other words, he's a big government liberal.
     
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