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Featured Does Matthew 22:14 prove Calvinism and Predestination?

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by boxman144, Apr 4, 2020.

  1. Dave L

    Dave L Well-Known Member Supporter

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    The gospel is preached (announced) to those who believe it. It is not a job offer for the self-righteous to save themselves.
     
  2. bcbsr

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    Preached to those who believe it? That makes no sense seeing as "faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word of Christ." Rom 10:17 "How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them?" Rom 10:14

    People can't "believe the gsospel" until they have first heard the gospel

    Acts 2:40,41 With many other words he warned them; and he pleaded with them, "Save yourselves from this corrupt generation." Those who accepted his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to their number that day.

    The rhetoric the Bible uses is simply inconsistent with Calvinism.
     
    Last edited: Apr 7, 2020
  3. Dave L

    Dave L Well-Known Member Supporter

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    The "job offer" gospel is a false gospel.
     
  4. BNR32FAN

    BNR32FAN He’s a Way of life Supporter

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    The book of life was written before creation. So this means God is absolutely omniscient. How else could He choose us according to His foreknowledge?
     
  5. Dave L

    Dave L Well-Known Member Supporter

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    What would God foresee but a ruined race not worth saving?
     
  6. BNR32FAN

    BNR32FAN He’s a Way of life Supporter

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    Don’t you think it’s strange that Jesus would give Jezebel time to repent if she were not able to repent?

    Romans 2 specifically states that God’s patience and kindness lead us to repentance and the cause of people receiving God’s wrath is because of their own stubbornness. Notice Paul says God’s patience and kindness leads the very same people to repentance whom are being stubborn and unrepentant.


    “Or do you think lightly of the riches of His kindness and tolerance and patience, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance? But because of your stubbornness and unrepentant heart you are storing up wrath for yourself in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God,”
    ‭‭Romans‬ ‭2:4-5‬ ‭NASB‬‬

    So their unrepentant attitude is not the result of God not making them able to repent but the result of their own stubbornness.
     
  7. BNR32FAN

    BNR32FAN He’s a Way of life Supporter

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    Yes that would include everyone so how is that even relevant?
     
  8. BNR32FAN

    BNR32FAN He’s a Way of life Supporter

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    The gospel has been preached to all not only to a select group. The apostles didn’t segregate groups of people to preach to.
     
  9. BNR32FAN

    BNR32FAN He’s a Way of life Supporter

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    The doctrine of election makes God out to be cruel, incompassionate, and unjust. To teach that He could bestow grace to all and all would repent if He did but He chose to only grant it to some who are no more worthy than the rest is a ridiculous notion that portrays God as a cruel and incompassionate being. And to teach that God condemns people who are incapable of meeting His expectations of repentance because He has not enabled them to repent portrays God as being unjust in His judgement and punishment.
     
  10. BNR32FAN

    BNR32FAN He’s a Way of life Supporter

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    "With people this is impossible, but with God all things are possible."

    The 12 were not the only disciples preaching the gospel.
     
  11. Dave L

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    It makes him righteous and Just. Also merciful and revealing his sovereignty. In fact, sin reveals all of his moral attributes. People who hate God, usually make a golden calf to worship in his name.
     
  12. Dave L

    Dave L Well-Known Member Supporter

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    The elect come from all nations.
     
  13. Dave L

    Dave L Well-Known Member Supporter

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    It means nobody would ever respond unless he first saved them.
     
  14. Dave L

    Dave L Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Do you think he increases a person's punishment by doing such things? Pharaoh etc.?
     
  15. Mountainmanbob

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    Why are some chosen and some not?
    Only God knows and only God is holy.

    There should be no pride in the chosen ones.
    For you did nothing good little man
    to be deserving of Heaven.
    This should keep you very humble.

    Since the beginning of time God has always had a people He calls his own. A family of God's children. Some others may also be grafted in. Many times the worst of sinners will be called to Repent. Jesus will not let one slip away that the Father has given to him.

    M-Bob
     
  16. BNR32FAN

    BNR32FAN He’s a Way of life Supporter

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    Verse 22 says God endured with much patience the vessels of wrath, which means He gave them the opportunity to repent but they refused.
     
  17. BNR32FAN

    BNR32FAN He’s a Way of life Supporter

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    Then why does He wait patiently for people to repent who are incapable of doing so?
     
  18. Dave L

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    You are adding to God's word. Remember Nadab and Abihu.
     
  19. Al Touthentop

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    It says there that eternal life is to know God. John says to know God is to keep his commands. Does everyone who believes keep his commands? James says that not everyone does. The demons believe. Would you therefore assert then that they are saved?
     
  20. Al Touthentop

    Al Touthentop Well-Known Member

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    This is one of the silliest things you've ever posted. How does one believe something that hasn't yet been announced to him?
     
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