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Does Jesus call the gentiles dogs?

Discussion in 'Messianic Judaism' started by wallet_man, Sep 16, 2020.

  1. wallet_man

    wallet_man New Member

    United States
    Mark 7:26-29
    26 The woman was a Greek, a Syrophenician by nation; and she besought him that he would cast forth the devil out of her daughter.

    27 But Jesus said unto her, Let the children first be filled: for it is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it unto the dogs.

    28 And she answered and said unto him, Yes, Lord: yet the dogs under the table eat of the children's crumbs.

    29 And he said unto her, For this saying go thy way; the devil is gone out of thy daughter.
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  2. TreWalker

    TreWalker Jewish Magen Am

    United States
    Yeshua was very familiar not just with the written but the oral Torah.

    Any kodashim that become trefah are not redeemed, since we do not redeem kodashim to feed it to dogs. (m.Temurah 6:5). This statement is quoted verbatim in several places in the Gemara outside of its direct discussion of this Mishnah (b.Pesachim 29a-b, b.Bechorot 15a-b), suggesting that this teaching has an axiomatic or proverbial use.

    If you have something that is fit to be offered but it develops a wound or a defect, what do you do with it? Yeshua says you don’t take it and throw it to the dogs because there are other areas of sanctification that it could be exchanged for. This is a concept that is found in the Mishnah, so it’s important to understand that this is Yeshua quoting directly from oral tradition, not from the written Torah. It’s the Mishnah that explains this concept.

    So a lot of people who dismiss the oral Torah they shoot themselves in the foot because right out of Yeshua’s mouth he verifies and supports the oral Torah when it comes to the kobanot system. However Yeshua used it’s (oral tradition's) broader implications as a form of exegesis.
  3. eleos1954

    eleos1954 God is Love Supporter

    United States
    Doubt she had gentiles under the table ;o)
  4. Grumman Tomcat

    Grumman Tomcat ✡Messianic✞ Staff Member Administrator CF Staff Trainer Supporter

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  5. Victor in Christ

    Victor in Christ Jehovah Tsidkenu

    United Kingdom
    Does Jesus call the gentiles dogs?

    LOL, no wall of partition in heaven, etc