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Does God want people to be vegetarians?

Discussion in 'Christian Scriptures' started by ChristianForCats, Apr 22, 2019.

  1. ewq1938

    ewq1938 It's easy to say anything but hard to say nothing. Staff Member Supervisor Supporter

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    Except peoples that eat of these types of animals have the highest life expectancy; Asian peoples who eat a lot of pork and shellfish etc.
     
  2. Kaon

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    You (and modern medicine) assume human physiology is the same throughout the population. We know this isn't true based on the diets of Americans alone (genetic heterogeneity), and the chronic and acute diseases they do and do not get. The Hebrews' bodies may work at less than 50% if s/he eats swine, but the gentiles/heathens/other ethnic groups may do famously eating swine. I would still trust my Father over modern science any day, not my Father after science seems to (dis)prove what He says.

    Another big reason why tour argument shouldn't matter is because the Most High God told us not to do it if we want to be His people. We are set apart; we aren't the world. Life expectancy is trivial when you are an animated corpse - which is what a human is.

    That is why it is important to preserve your corpse as much as possible. You are already dead; why have parasites and worms eat you from the inside out before your time?

    Nothing I said should be more compelling for someone to follow an Adamic or Diluvian diet than the fact that the Most High God commanded it, and never told us that we could break any food law. (If He did, show where He said this explicitly - as He is the authority on Law, now man.) We can keep playing these games with dogma and ruin our souls (for pleasures of taste and ease of social acceptance); that's always easy.
     
  3. ChristianForCats

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    Did you know there are no parasites in our diets when we eat animals? That is obvious to everyone in the USA who knows American culture is to not eat them.
     
  4. ewq1938

    ewq1938 It's easy to say anything but hard to say nothing. Staff Member Supervisor Supporter

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    He only commanded it to the Jews in the old covenant. It is not commanded to anyone else, nor is it part of the new covenant. The rest of your post is pure speculation that somehow Jews physically cannot handle eating pork. It's not true because many Jews who are not religious have eaten pork without any negative results.
     
  5. Kaon

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    Where was that distinction made, and by who? Did the Most High God, or the Word of God Himself (who is the actual Entity known as Son of Man/Christ/The Redeemer) ever make that distinction?

    And, it isn't speculation because you say it is. You can disagree, but it would be reckless for you to assume what I am saying is speculation. I know you don't think so, but it is.

    Incidentally, you don't actually address the point: The Word of God Himself, and the Commandments and Law of the Most High God in the context of who He is. Are any of us allowed to break His commandments on accord of dogma? On Heralded humans? On Canon? On Tradition?

    In other words, does the Most High God ever change? Where did He ever say that anyone who isn't a "genetic" Hebrew - yet wants to be His child - does not have to obey the very same commandments He put forward as a model for His own children? His word is bond for any entity that wants to be His child, and wants to be in His Kingdom. He is a King. He demands perfection; He gave the measure of perfection in His Law - who is a literal Living Entity known as Son of Man/Christ/The Redeemer. The Word of God Himself (who is...) has said this several times.


    So, again: when did the Most High God, or the Word of God Himself ever say that there were distinct sets of laws for different peoples? Follow up: Is the Most High God a respecters of genetics/persons/culture?

    I implore you to rethink your attitude toward the longevity, quality and gravity of the Law of the Most High God. The grace we have affords us the audacity to "mess up"/break the law of the Most High God without being condemned at that moment, and forever. We have forgiveness in the Redeemer as long as we 1) are His child, and 2) we are repentant. That is amazing in general. But, if we talk about ignoring and marginalizing the very Law that defines our grace, we are in danger of falling under delusions that (if it were possible) could overtake us.
     
  6. Kaon

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    You say there are no parasites in our diet when we do eat meat/animals?
     
  7. ChristianForCats

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    We eat meat that is inspected by the USDA to ensure there is nothing harmful such as parasites.
     
  8. Kaon

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    Of course that is what they are supposed to do, but there is no way to ensure this - at all.

    The cook of the meat, the quality and the oversight all play a part in whether or not one receives a parasitic infection from meat. The FDA, nor the USDA can ensure 100% rate of accurate detection, and they they don't have an exhaustive archive on all parasitic infection in meat.

    And, that is not including the quality of meat in fast food, street vendors, etc. Most people are full of parasites, and continue to expose themselves to parasites based on their diet - especially a meat-based diet that is already taxing on your digestive and immune system (at least, the way meat is eaten in Western cuisine).

    I am not saying meat that has already been deemed clean by the Most High God is bad. However, recall He allowed meat to be eaten when the animals were not eating genetically modified feed, pumped with hormones, and filled with antibiotics as well as their own endocrine push before slaughter (the world was just restored).

    You don't have to worry about vegetables flooding their flesh with hormones due to fear of being killed/slaughtered, for example, because they are producers; they beg to be eaten if for the simple reason that you defecate their seeds out and aid the process of new life.
     
  9. Shempster

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    The greatest commandment is to love God with all ones heart.
    The way I see it, how can you love God without loving the things he loves.
    He loves and feeds a tiny sparrow. Certainly he must love chickens too, right?
    How can you love animals and have them tortured in factory farms, then violently killed, chopped up, cooked and eaten? Would you do that to your own pet dog or cat?
     
  10. ChristianForCats

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    Certainly the way aninals are treated and slaughered today is not how God wanted people to do it but the Lord commanded Moses to get and slaughter a clean pig (Exodus). So although God loves all animals, He also wants some of them which are perfect to be killed under certain circumstances.
     
  11. ewq1938

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    No commandment is given to Christians to abstain from any type of animal meat.
     
  12. Kaon

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    This doesn't answer the question, but merely telegraphs it - considering "Christian" is a man-made category. There were Hebrews who believed in the Messiah, and everyone else.

    Where did the Most High God give any of the restrictions to, and categories of Law we blithely use to justify our disobedience to His Law?

    Why should I, as a Christian, neglect to follow the Most High God's law when it cannot be shown that He gave us the right to break any of His Law set up for all entities that want to be called His children? Because you say so, or because another man says so?

    Where do the AUTHORITIES on the Law (The Word of God Himself, and/or the Most High God) tell us all these things about the requirements of the Law for specific persons? What you are suggesting has very serious implications.
     
  13. Kaon

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    Where did He command Moses to slaughter a pig?

    A pig isn't considered food for humans to the Most High God - so much so we aren't supposed to touch the carcas. If you mean when He told Peter to "kill and eat" a bunch of animals, Peter himself reasons that the Most High God was using unclean animals as metaphor for gentiles. It is also clear that early "Christians" ate Kosher - as for Peter no unclean thing touched his lips, and he says that as if it would be offensive to suggest otherwise.

    Why fight so hard against the Word of God Himself. Dogma won't save our behinds when we have to give an account at judgment, and the Most High God convicts us about how many of His Laws we ignored - especially if we broke them because other men said so - Wwhen He said differently. The Most High God is patient; He isn't a joke.
     
  14. ewq1938

    ewq1938 It's easy to say anything but hard to say nothing. Staff Member Supervisor Supporter

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    Christian is not a made up "category".

    Doesn't change the fact that the food laws were commanded only to the Jews and no one else.
     
  15. ChristianForCats

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    I looked it up on Bible Study Tools (where I can read the Bible in modern English versions). This is what I was trying to think of: animal offerings.

    Offerings for the Tabernacle
    1 The LORD said to Moses,
    2 “Tell the Israelites to bring me an offering. You are to receive the offering for me from everyone whose heart prompts them to give.
    3 These are the offerings you are to receive from them: gold, silver and bronze;
    4 blue, purple and scarlet yarn and fine linen; goat hair;
    5 ram skins dyed red and another type of durable leather; acacia wood;
     
  16. Tayla

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    After the flood I think it was, God allowed people to eat meat. Later he specified which kinds are excluded. Paul says we can eat anything. Paul's word from God supersedes the Old Testament commands.
     
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