Does God Turn Away People Who Want to be Saved?

[Monk Brendan]

Only His sheep know His voice.

Can you tell, just by looking at a man whether he is a sheep or a goat? For that matter, Can you tell if the time is not ripe for him to become a sheep, but he may, later on?

How do you bear such knowledge?

 

[jimmyjimmy]

Jesus died for all people, no exceptions.

Hell is empty.

 

[Hammster]

Can you tell, just by looking at a man whether he is a sheep or a goat? For that matter, Can you tell if the time is not ripe for him to become a sheep, but he may, later on?

How do you bear such knowledge?

Why would you think we'd need to bear such knowledge? I'd think that only the Shepherd would.

 

[Monk Brendan]

Duplicate post

 

[jimmyjimmy]

Can you tell, just by looking at a man whether he is a sheep or a goat? For that matter, Can you tell if the time is not ripe for him to become a sheep, but he may, later on?

How do you bear such knowledge?

I know a guy who literally had a breakdown because he couldn't bear the pressure of souls riding on his work in evangelism. He wasn't a Calvinist. . .

I feel so free sharing the gospel as one who has come to understand God's sovereignty in election. I just proclaim the gospel, and He does the work.

 

[Monk Brendan]

What did His death accomplish?

He opened the gates of heaven to all who cooperate with Him.

 

[Mountainmanbob]

You didn't look at all, you just posted that, because I posted it just 8 minutes ago, and you haven't had time to do a careful Bible search.

I'm not new to this and I have studied this subject many, many times before (in the Bible).

If you don't know who you are talking to -- then you don't know who you are talking to.

Not getting fussy -- it's just the truth.

M-Bob

 

[Monk Brendan]

I know a guy who literally had a breakdown because he couldn't bear the pressure of should riding on his work in evangelism. He wasn't a Calvinist. . .

I feel so free sharing the gospel as one who has come to understand God's sovereignty in election. I just proclaim the gospel, and He does the work.

Listen, Jimmy, I feel that I know by now that, like myself, you have a light spirit in your writing, and I appreciate it. But the thought that you, or anyone else, can tell if someone is ELECT or not, is balderdash. I preach the Word BOLDLY, and it is up to God to water and feed that seed, and maybe I get to reap one, once in a while. While my audience is limited, and my word is limited to typesetting and washing dishes--maybe a little art once in a while. But when I do interact outside of the monastery, I do what little I can do to spread the Word.

 

[Hammster]

He opened the gates of heaven to all who cooperate with Him.

So no bearing of sin? Just an opened door for the unrighteous?

 

[Monk Brendan]

If you don't know who you are talking to -- then you don't know who you are talking to.

But you do not know to whom you are talking, either. I will take odds that I have read the Bible, all the way through, all 73 books, more times than you have read your Bible, with books stripped out of it.

For the first 20 years of my cooperation with Christ, I would start at the beginning, at Genesis 1:1, and read (obviously not all at once) all the way through to Revelation 22:21 about once every three to four months, reading every night. Then I would start over at Gen 1:1. So I know what the Bible says just as well as you do.

 

[Robert76]

I'm just a layman, but I think that some will be turned away, for a short time, not permanently cast out of God's will to be saved, but not being able to be saved temporarily, because they are so unclean with sin that God just doesn't want to talk to them. Scriptural support I have for this doesn't lead up to doctrine that I think should be taught as a hard line rule, but Humanity as a race has had 2,000 years to repent. A Human being might have twenty years, but ruins their chance to join with the Will of God until they repent.

What are your thoughts on 2 Peter 3:9 (ESV)...:
"The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance."

...in light of Hebrews 9:27 (ESV)?:
"And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment,"

 

[Monk Brendan]

So no bearing of sin? Just an opened door for the unrighteous?

I said, "for all who cooperate with Him."

Jesus did it all, on the cross. He paid the price for your sin, my sin, everybody's sin. And for those who cooperate with Him--meaning, for those who have chosen to call upon the name of the Lord, He opened the gates of heaven.

Your last post, (quote above) was just picking nits, as you know full well what I meant. I can tell, from your writing style, etc. and the fact that you are from the USA, that you are a native English speaker, so don't play games with me.

 

[Hammster]

I said, "for all who cooperate with Him."

Jesus did it all, on the cross. He paid the price for your sin, my sin, everybody's sin. And for those who cooperate with Him--meaning, for those who have chosen to call upon the name of the Lord, He opened the gates of heaven.

Your last post, (quote above) was just picking nits, as you know full well what I meant. I can tell, from your writing style, etc. and the fact that you are from the USA, that you are a native English speaker, so don't play games with me.

I have no idea what you believe. I have seen all sorts of strange ideas on here. So don't presume.

If the price for everyone's sins have been paid for, then who is in hell, and why?

 

[HeatRamosHidden]

What are your thoughts on 2 Peter 3:9 (ESV)...:
"The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance."

...in light of Hebrews 9:27 (ESV)?:
"And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment,"

I'm not saying they're ruined forever if God kind of hides his face from them, I'm saying that God won't put up with stupidity of sin for some people as if they are ignorant and don't know the consequences of what they're doing. Sometimes God may seem absent, noticeably, in a person's life, even if that person never had him to begin with, so they at least "try" to seek him out. Once they realize that they can't even begin to properly seek God out of their own volition, they may decide to humble themselves so God saves them.

 

[Mountainmanbob]

But you do not know to whom you are talking, either. I will take odds that I have read the Bible, all the way through, all 73 books, more times than you have read your Bible, with books stripped out of it.

For the first 20 years of my cooperation with Christ, I would start at the beginning, at Genesis 1:1, and read (obviously not all at once) all the way through to Revelation 22:21 about once every three to four months, reading every night. Then I would start over at Gen 1:1. So I know what the Bible says just as well as you do.

Ok so you have me there by the reading of the Book more than I (if that counts) ?
You don't have my wife by much.
So here is your question -- where do we locate purgatory in the Bible.
thanks
Bob

 

[dreadnought]

Does God Turn Away People Who Want to be Saved?

Are there sinners who desire mercy but get none?

John 3:16 tells us there is eternal life for all who believe in Jesus.

 

[Friend-of-Jesus]

Hell is empty.

It would have been, if only 100% of people accepted Jesus's forgiveness. But they unfortunately don't...

 

[Hammster]

It would have been, if only 100% of people accepted Jesus's forgiveness. But they unfortunately don't...

Why would they be there if Jesus paid the price for their sins?

 

[Friend-of-Jesus]

I want my loved ones to come to Christ. Who gives them the desire they don't have?

Nobody. They must come up with the desire by seeing the truth of God. It's up to them entirely.

 

[_-iconoclast-_]

How do you bear such knowledge?

Hello monk.

You seem very interested in me