Does God think war virtuous?

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since God in the new testament when i read the bible out of curiosity as an agnostic who believes in every religion and gods says to his biblical authors to write in the new testament about the last war between lucifer and god in end times, does he think war virtuous in a good way? i ask because war to me is not always a way to prove a point and shouldn't in "most" cases in life yet he ends this earth with supposed end times that christians fully believe in. thanks for any answers to understand christians and their god that they fully believe in and do religiously practice about.
 

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since God in the new testament when i read the bible out of curiosity as an agnostic who believes in every religion and gods says to his biblical authors to write in the new testament about the last war between lucifer and god in end times, does he think war virtuous in a good way? i ask because war to me is not always a way to prove a point and shouldn't in "most" cases in life yet he ends this earth with supposed end times that christians fully believe in. thanks for any answers to understand christians and their god that they fully believe in and do religiously practice about.

What do you mean "Does God think war virtuous" ?
Virtuous or not virtuous can be applied only to living persons, not war.
 
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What do you mean "Does God think war virtuous" ?
Virtuous or not virtuous can be applied only to living persons, not war.
can not virtues in life with living persons like devotion, patience, other virtuous arts and so on be paralleled in a manner to be applied in war after all? war and battle can mean honor and glory for some people, no? war can be a way of expression for some, like in fighting, no?
 
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an agnostic who believes in every religion and gods

May I suggest that you sort out your logic/reasoning before querying theology.

How can you believe in hinduism, where there are a great many gods, budhism where there is no god, islam which says there is only one god and Christianity which says there is a triune God.

They are all different and they all cannot be correct.


War can be a picture for the internal struggle against 'sin', he striving to do that which is right etc.

But it is only a picture. War is very real and full of cruelty etc.
 
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May I suggest that you sort out your logic/reasoning before querying theology.

How can you believe in hinduism, where there are a great many gods, budhism where there is no god, islam which says there is only one god and Christianity which says there is a triune God.

They are all different and they all cannot be correct.


War can be a picture for the internal struggle against 'sin', he striving to do that which is right etc.

But it is only a picture. War is very real and full of cruelty etc.
Sorry, what I meant was that I believe in all of those religions and forgot to add in to say I believe in all of those religions in such a way that I believe all those religions and gods without any rules of there being religions closing off all of each other but believing in them all at the same time. As far as the war having virtues in it, I meant living persons being part of the wars, therefore wars have virtues within the people in it, but you're right, I didn't exactly say that and I apologize, I forgot war is but a result and picture and that you need living persons in the war to make it a war.
 
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I believe in all of those religions in such a way that I believe all those religions and gods without any rules of there being religions closing off all of each other but believing in them all at the same time.

That is nonsence in the strict sence that it makes no sense at all.
You are believing something that is happening and is not happening.
e.g. you believe that your computer/phone etc is both turned on and turned off at the same time.
 
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That is nonsence in the strict sence that it makes no sense at all.
You are believing something that is happening and is not happening.
e.g. you believe that your computer/phone etc is both turned on and turned off at the same time.
An example of what I mean is like believing in allah as a separate God of the triune God just because he has a different name so I have unique beliefs on 'allah' but without the rule that there is not the rule where Muslim religion has only one God and the triune God is again in my beliefs not the only God out there to believe in 'that' religion. Or Buddhism is yet another religion I believe in without the rules if there are more than one that shows there are no such things as God or gods...I may not have looked at all the scriptures to sort out all details, but when I said in my last post that I said 'I believe in all the religions in such a way where if there are any barriers or rules that closes off any way possible in the books and if there are rules that have to be made up to believe and connect all the religions and the gods of those religions to be put together, I'll believe it but only in my ways which I never got around in doing'...so in a sense you're right, I'm not making sense because I never read and researched all the religions completely to get rid of and make new things in those religions to my liking to connect everything together to make them be all in my beliefs. But I guess I didn't both because I didn't want to get around to it and people say things like they believe in all religions before already and I remember people in turn said what you said to literally correct me when I said I believe in all religions...but if that makes sense, that's what I mean...I nitpick from the religions and I believe in all the gods as you now know that I probably should get around to making things up, getting rid of things and at the same time nitpicking in the religions in such a way to make it make sense in my liking.
 
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Does God think war virtuous?
Ecclesiastes 3:1 To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:
2 A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted;
3 A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up;
 
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since God in the new testament when i read the bible out of curiosity as an agnostic who believes in every religion and gods says to his biblical authors to write in the new testament about the last war between lucifer and god in end times, does he think war virtuous in a good way? i ask because war to me is not always a way to prove a point and shouldn't in "most" cases in life yet he ends this earth with supposed end times that christians fully believe in. thanks for any answers to understand christians and their god that they fully believe in and do religiously practice about.

War is no good. There is no war in the Heaven.
 
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can not virtues in life with living persons like devotion, patience, other virtuous arts and so on be paralleled in a manner to be applied in war after all? war and battle can mean honor and glory for some people, no? war can be a way of expression for some, like in fighting, no?

There is no competition in the Heaven either.
 
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An example of what I mean is like believing in allah as a separate God of the triune God just because he has a different name so I have unique beliefs on 'allah' but without the rule that there is not the rule where Muslim religion has only one God and the triune God is again in my beliefs not the only God out there to believe in 'that' religion. Or Buddhism is yet another religion I believe in without the rules if there are more than one that shows there are no such things as God or gods...I may not have looked at all the scriptures to sort out all details, but when I said in my last post that I said 'I believe in all the religions in such a way where if there are any barriers or rules that closes off any way possible in the books and if there are rules that have to be made up to believe and connect all the religions and the gods of those religions to be put together, I'll believe it but only in my ways which I never got around in doing'...so in a sense you're right, I'm not making sense because I never read and researched all the religions completely to get rid of and make new things in those religions to my liking to connect everything together to make them be all in my beliefs. But I guess I didn't both because I didn't want to get around to it and people say things like they believe in all religions before already and I remember people in turn said what you said to literally correct me when I said I believe in all religions...but if that makes sense, that's what I mean...I nitpick from the religions and I believe in all the gods as you now know that I probably should get around to making things up, getting rid of things and at the same time nitpicking in the religions in such a way to make it make sense in my liking.

If a religion has more than one god, then there are wars in that religion.
 
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If a religion has more than one god, then there are wars in that religion.

No wars in my polytheistic religion.
(The mythology is not taken literally)
 
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since God in the new testament when i read the bible out of curiosity as an agnostic who believes in every religion and gods says to his biblical authors to write in the new testament about the last war between lucifer and god in end times, does he think war virtuous in a good way? i ask because war to me is not always a way to prove a point and shouldn't in "most" cases in life yet he ends this earth with supposed end times that christians fully believe in. thanks for any answers to understand christians and their god that they fully believe in and do religiously practice about.

Are you talking about Armageddon?

Also, the whole "end times" thing--yeah that's not really a thing for most Christians, at least not in the Left Behind variety.

I have no reason to believe that "Armegeddon" is anything remotely literal. This is the same book that describes Jesus as a lamb with multiple eyes and horns, and that a blood-drinking prostitute rides a multi-headed monster. Probably a good indication that the content of the book isn't supposed to be taken literally.

The book of the Revelation (also known as the Apocalypse) is written in the literary genre known as apocalyptic, a literary style that was fairly common in the 2nd Temple period, and shortly thereafter. The word "apokalypsis" in Greek just means "unveiling" or "revelation", the point of apocalyptic literature is to disclose mystery, or to describe things from a heavenly or supernal perspective.

As such a common literary motif in apocalyptic is that of someone (often the narrator as told from a first person perspective) being taken by a heavenly agent and shown visions--of heaven, of the earth, of events, persons, things, places, etc. The things seen are in the form of dreams or visions, and descriptions are often highly cryptic, imaginative, and graphic. Many parts of the book of Daniel is in the form of apocalyptic, where the language shifts to first person, and "Daniel" is shown dreams and visions of things--he also happens to be shown things by a heavenly agent, an angel. One of the most famous Jewish apocalyptic works of the 2nd Temple period is the book of Enoch which presents itself as a first-person narration by the biblical Enoch (it's obviously not) who is shown visions as he is escorted by an angel through heavenly realms.

The Revelation of St. John is a distinctly Christian apocalyptic text that uses the same apocalyptic framework: The author is known only as "John", but it's not clear exactly who this John is, early tradition said it was a figure known as John the Presbyter, the same who was said to have written the epistles which bear the name "John"; some that it was the Apostle John, one of Jesus' original 12 core disciples who was said to have written the Gospel that now bears the name "John", others said that these were the same John. Also possible that this is some other John altogether. We really don't know, but given the tradition of John the Presbyter with Ephesus, a connection with John the Presbyter seems reasonable to me. At any rate, this John was currently in exile on the island of Patmos located off the south-western coast of what is now modern-day Turkey; the author says he had been exiled on account of his faith. Historic sources tend to place the timing of this work to the reign of Emperor Domitian (81 - 96 AD), usually to the latter end, or around ~95 AD, though some surmise it might have been as late as during the reign of Nerva (96 - 98) or Trajan (98 - 117). The 4th century Church historian Eusebius of Caesarea speaks of the time of Domitian as a time when were suffering under Roman oppression,

"Domitian, having shown great cruelty toward many, and having unjustly put to death no small number of well-born and notable men at Rome, and having without cause exiled and confiscated the property of a great many other illustrious men, finally became a successor of Nero in his hatred and enmity toward God. He was in fact the second that stirred up a persecution against us, although his father Vespasian had undertaken nothing prejudicial to us.

It is said that in this persecution the apostle and evangelist John, who was still alive, was condemned to dwell on the island of Patmos in consequence of his testimony to the divine word. Irenæus, in the fifth book of his work Against Heresies, where he discusses the number of the name of Antichrist which is given in the so-called Apocalypse of John, speaks as follows concerning him: 'If it were necessary for his name to be proclaimed openly at the present time, it would have been declared by him who saw the revelation. For it was seen not long ago, but almost in our own generation, at the end of the reign of Domitian.' To such a degree, indeed, did the teaching of our faith flourish at that time that even those writers who were far from our religion did not hesitate to mention in their histories the persecution and the martyrdoms which took place during it. And they, indeed, accurately indicated the time. For they recorded that in the fifteenth year of Domitian Flavia Domitilla, daughter of a sister of Flavius Clement, who at that time was one of the consuls of Rome, was exiled with many others to the island of Pontia in consequence of testimony borne to Christ.
" - Eusebius, Church History, Book III, ch. 17-18

This gives us some meaningful context for the occasion of the writing of the text, though the text itself suggests as much. As such, if we want to understand the meaning of the text, understanding the contemporary circumstances of the time of its writing is worthwhile. Especially seeing that it would seem that John is not exactly entirely subtle at times, he pretty clearly states that the prostitute who rides a scarlet beast is a city that rests on seven hills.

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Wars MUST be there. You don't want to look at it.
Tell me your gods, I will show you the war.

I don't think you get to dictate how religions work when you don't even subscribe to them.

Like I said, the mythology talks a lot about wars, but they were written by peoples who often fought them. The stories are not literal.
 
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I don't think you get to dictate how religions work when you don't even subscribe to them.

Like I said, the mythology talks a lot about wars, but they were written by peoples who often fought them. The stories are not literal.

We are human. We think by logic. If there were two individuals at the same level, then there will be war. I do not know there is any exception.
 
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We are human. We think by logic. If there were two individuals at the same level, then there will be war. I do not know there is any exception.

I'm a systems engineer. I work with four other systems engineers. Not once has any one of us tried to kill each other.

Also, gods are not humans.
 
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I'm a systems engineer. I work with four other systems engineers. Not once has any one of us tried to kill each other.
Then you've never worked with routers, LANs, WANs, token rings, and Ethernets, have you? ;)
 
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