Does God own us?

[Godlovesmetwo]

He's the creator. We are the created. So in that sense he does. So it is not our life to do with as we please, is it.
I know He gave us free will but He actually wants us to choose Him. He owns our life.
I mean, for so many years, I've lived the illusion that I owned my own life. But is ownership an illusion?

 

[ewq1938]

He's the creator. We are the created. So in that sense he does. So it is not our life to do with as we please, is it.
I know He gave us free will but He actually wants us to choose Him. He owns our life.
I mean, for so many years, I've lived the illusion that I owned my own life. But is ownership an illusion?

I look at it more like this:

God's laws and rules are above us and we are subject to them and his judgments. So, we own our fleshy lives and can sin or repent, follow or not follow but God will ultimately make a decision about our souls that we can't escape from or disagree with.

 

[Noscentia]

Romans 9:14-24 I believe touches on this fairly definitely. We are the clay and God is the potter. He is sovereign and does what He pleases with whom He pleases to demonstrate His glory, whether that be through wrath or mercy. We cannot resist His will, and we have no authority to question whatsoever He chooses to use us for.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

He's the creator. We are the created. So in that sense he does. So it is not our life to do with as we please, is it.
I know He gave us free will but He actually wants us to choose Him. He owns our life.
I mean, for so many years, I've lived the illusion that I owned my own life. But is ownership an illusion?

He does own us. In an infinitely greater way than we own anything. We are not free agents.

This is why sin is so vile, and grace is so amazing.

 

[Godlovesmetwo]

I don't see much of this "ownership" concept used. I guess it sounds like slavery instead of love.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

I don't see much of this "ownership" concept used. I guess it sounds like slavery instead of love.

I own my dog, and I would give him a kidney (is that possible?). Now that's love.

Your apostolic namesake considers himself a slave to God.

We are all slaves to something.

 

[Godlovesmetwo]

I own my dog, and I would give him a kidney (is that possible?). Now that's love.

Your apostolic namesake considers himself a slave to God.

We are all slaves to something.

Ok good. Now that you are using it.
A willing slave is what we should aim for then.

 

[Noscentia]

I would give him a kidney (is that possible?)

Unfortunately you can't give a human kidney to a dog, but God can replace a heart of stone with one of flesh. Now that's love.

 

[Godlovesmetwo]

Unfortunately you can't give a human kidney to a dog

Not yet. But I bet scientists and doctors are on their way to figuring out a way, in the future.

 

[Godlovesmetwo]

I own my dog, and I would give him a kidney (is that possible?). Now that's love.

Gee you're a nice dog owner. As much as I love my dog, I don't want to give him any of my body parts.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

Ok good. Now that you are using it.
A willing slave is what we should aim for then.

The only free men walking the earth are slaves to Christ.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

. . .God can replace a heart of stone with one of flesh. Now that's love.

Yes. It is.

 

[Saucy]

The bible says we were bought with a price. He requires of us to deny ourselves, pick up our cross, and follow Him.

But those are all choices we make.

There are many instances when God snuffed someone out because they sinned. He decides our path, our purpose, and all of that. He determines who is king and rules over man.

When you think about it, the entire universe is woven together and in His control. We're living in His world, His universe.

 

[Godlovesmetwo]

The only free men walking the earth are slaves to Christ.

Ive never seen that one. It mustve been written before. But it is a classic quotable quote.

 

[CrystalDragon]

Romans 9:14-24 I believe touches on this fairly definitely. We are the clay and God is the potter. He is sovereign and does what He pleases with whom He pleases to demonstrate His glory, whether that be through wrath or mercy. We cannot resist His will, and we have no authority to question whatsoever He chooses to use us for.

I always have a big problem with that turn of phrase.

Clay is not sentient. Clay is not alive. Clay does not have a will. We are sentient, alive, and willfull.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

Ive never seen that one. It mustve been written before. But it is a classic quotable quote.

I just coined it. Freshly minted.

 

[Quid est Veritas?]

For the one who was a slave when called to faith in the Lord is the Lord’s freed person; similarly, the one who was free when called is Christ’s slave.
- Paul in 1 Corinthians 7:22

 

[Godlovesmetwo]

For the one who was a slave when called to faith in the Lord is the Lord’s freed person; similarly, the one who was free when called is Christ’s slave.
- Paul in 1 Corinthians 7:22

as much as I would like to give credit to Jimmy for his original, seems like he rewrote this one.

 

[jimmyjimmy]

as much as I would like to give credit to Jimmy for his original, seems like he rewrote this one.

Yeah. I lied , and that's almost a word for word quote. Seriously?!

 

[Radrook]

Not only do we feel we own our lives but we feel that we own the Earth as well and can do with either one as we wish.