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Featured Does God get glory from condemning people?

Discussion in 'General Theology' started by zoidar, Feb 12, 2019.

  1. No, certainly not!

  2. Yes, everything God does gives Him glory!

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  1. zoidar

    zoidar Well-Known Member Supporter

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    We all believe that God gets glory from saving people, but does He get glory from condemning people?
     
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  2. Daniel9v9

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    Well, it depends on what you mean by this. For God to punish evil is in and itself a good thing and in line with His supremely good, holy and righteous character. To not punish evil would be evil. This is what makes the cross so great - that Christ, in fact, took upon himself all the sins of the world. Here we learn two things: (1) God is righteous and does indeed punish evil. (2) God is merciful and does forgive sinners, even to the point of dying for them. Are these things to God's glory? Absolutely.
     
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  3. Lulav

    Lulav Behold! He is Alive forevermore! Staff Member Administrator CF Staff Trainer Supporter CF Senior Ambassador

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    I would write that a different way, God gets glory for giving a way to save people, we still have a choice.

    As far as condemning people it is the same thing, everyone is given a chance to repent and be saved, so God doesn't condemn anyone, if people choose not to be with him on his terms (repentance) then He allows it and they don't get to spend eternity with him. Simple.
     
  4. Jonaitis

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    He is glorified in his mercy in redemption and justice toward sin.
     
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  5. Pethesedzao

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    God is not willing that any one should perish but that all men would be saved.
     
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  6. Hammster

    Hammster He is risen! Staff Member Site Advisor Supporter

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    Yes.
     
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  7. Dave L

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    Without sin we have no knowledge of God. No mercy, no righteousness, no goodness, no love, no sovereignty, no justice, wrath ..... all glorifies him.
     
  8. Mark Quayle

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    I keep seeing people asking questions assuming validity to the assumptions within the question. We don't have, on this temporal plane, the knowledge or understanding to ask your question, knowing what we are saying.

    Specifically, your question assumes that what we see is what God is doing, or that our perspective is valid. We see he created people that whether he meant it to turn out this way or not, end up in one of two camps. We don't see the REASON why he did so, so we ignore the reason, and then question his actions.

    While I could argue did he make them for the purpose of destruction (see the Potter and the Clay discourse), I have to remark that this whole business we call Creation, while primarily for his own Glory, was done for his glory by what he is making/ has made. He is making the Bride of Christ. If he was not, there would be no reason to create. Everything here that is NOT the Bride of Christ is made for the purpose of producing that Bride of Christ. And when she has been completed, this whole business will be rolled up like a scroll, and "the old way of things" will be no more. Behold, the new has come. The whole creation waits in eager anticipation for the sons of God to be revealed.

    Those that he condemns are part of what it took to make us. I don't say he created them for the purpose of condemnation, but for the purpose of constructing us --his Particular Creation.
     
  9. Pethesedzao

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    Whoever believes in Jesus Christ is NOT condemned.
     
  10. Hammster

    Hammster He is risen! Staff Member Site Advisor Supporter

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    Right. But that’s not the topic.
     
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  11. RaymondG

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    "11 Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord God, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?"
     
  12. HTacianas

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    Eze 33:11 - “Say to them: ‘As I live,’ says the Lord GOD, ‘I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but that the wicked turn from his way and live.
     
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  13. Pethesedzao

    Pethesedzao Well-Known Member

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    God created us because He wants a family...
     
  14. Hammster

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    Having no pleasure is not the same thing as receiving no glory.
     
  15. RaymondG

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    So is it, then, also possible that God has no pleasure in receiving Glory?

    Since:
    I have no pleasure in destruction of wicked.
    The destruction of the wick gives me glory.
    therefore I have no pleasure in glory......at least in some cases?
     
  16. vinsight4u

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    /nvm
     
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  17. RaymondG

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    To delight in doing, and receiving glory from, are not one in the same. In the passage you mention, it states that we are to glory in the understand and knowledge of God........that he delights in Judgement....
     
  18. Mountainmanbob

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    They condemn themselves.
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  19. Hammster

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    I don’t think that’s true. The glory comes in the justice that is served.
     
  20. Hammster

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    No they don’t.
     
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