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Does GOD ever condone his......

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by EPHRIAM777, Feb 25, 2003.

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  1. EPHRIAM777

    EPHRIAM777 A REAL NICE GUY..!

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    Does God ever condone his people LYING to others in any way shape or form...??
     
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  2. Duane Morse

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    God hates lying, so I would not think so.
     
  3. seebs

    seebs God Made Me A Skeptic

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    Conveniently, the Bible addresses this.

    Exodus:1-18-20

    God approves of lying in at least that case; there are other Biblical examples.

    "False witness" is to "lying" as "murder" is to "killing".
     
  4. Ratioann

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    hmm.. I've always wondered this too.

    There are times in the bible when he seems to approve of it and other sins, but I think it is just the appearance. For instance, Jacob was always tricking people; he got his brother blessing and he made off with all his father in laws good sheep. Jacob loved the Lord though, so I guess it was forgive and forget?
     
  5. seebs

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    Well, as the platypus tells us, God has a fairly active sense of humor. I think He appreciates trickery, as long as it is free of malice and does no harm.

    I think the Bible makes it pretty clear in a few places that lying *can* be actively endorsed; the circumstances seem to have a lot to do with why you're lying, and what ends you hope to acheive. There are clearly limits.
     
  6. Job_38

    Job_38 <font size="1"> In perfect orbit they have circled

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    I would not say condone. But, Ecclesiastes Chapter 3 says that there is a time for every season. So hey, it might be wrong, might be right or maybe it is just unknown to us.
     
  7. EPHRIAM777

    EPHRIAM777 A REAL NICE GUY..!

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    seebs said

    Conveniently, the Bible addresses this.

    Exodus:1-18-20

    God approves of lying in at least that case; there are other Biblical examples.

    "False witness" is to "lying" as "murder" is to "killing". [/B]


    Eph writes...

    Perfect example Seebs... :clap:


    ..another is found in 1 SAM 16:2:4....God told Samuel to only tell a HALF truth...to the King...Samuel was going to annoint David soon...But GOD gave him a "cover story" to tell the King that didn't disclose ALL that God wanted done...Sam was directed by God to tell a Half truth...leaving out the most important part...!

    So lying....at times for the RIGHT reason....isn't unheard of in scripture..and sometimes it's rewarded by God..as your verse points out...!

    GREAT answer ..!
     
  8. Job_38

    Job_38 <font size="1"> In perfect orbit they have circled

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    Let me ask: Is withholding things a lie? When I talk to my christian friends who disagree on Doctrine, I do not blatantly say it. I allude to it.
     
  9. EPHRIAM777

    EPHRIAM777 A REAL NICE GUY..!

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    Job_38 said

    Let me ask: Is withholding things a lie?

    Eph writes...

    Well it depends...if a small child ( 4 yrs old lets say ) asks you..where do babies come from...?

    Would you tell them the "clinical truth"...about all of it...so as not to tell a lie...OR would you say the "oh stork brings them"....now lets go eat some cookies..?

    I'd be eating cookies as soon as I could with em...( just so you know what my answer to them would be )...


    Job 38 says..

    When I talk to my christian friends who disagree on Doctrine, I do not blatantly say it. I allude to it.

    Eph writes...

    Differences between ADULTS is a whole nother can o worms...as far as I'm concerned..There is a proper way to go about it from scripture..!

    Except here on this forum of course...

    I've been told around here that I can't tell people the truth because "small children" might read the replies and be offended...OR..your not doing it "nice and wishy washy" christian like...!

    Of course that is based on their error as to what "christian like" should be..! Do things the way the BIBLE says to do it here on this forum....and your in violation of forum rules..as I have found out..but I say..their in viloation of Biblical rules...
     
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