I'm saying this deserves a closer look. It's not as black and white as some seek to make it.
Many questions to consider:
1) Did Adam understand what God meant when he said he would die as a result?
2) Had Eve been created yet when God said this to Adam?
3) Did Adam miscommunicate with Eve about it? (don't touch?)
4) Were Adam and Eve immortal beings prior to the Fall?
5) Was the death physical, or spiritual?
6) What immediate results do we see after eating?
7) Were the effects of the Fall only upon humanity, or on all of creation?
The short answer to your question is; No, I'm not saying that God lied.
But you and I probably don't agree on the particulars on this. And frankly, the particulars might not be all that clear.
There's room for different opinions on this. For instance, the text says that the serpent was speaking, yet you claim it is Satan. Is that in agreement with the text?
Genesis 2:16-17 NIV
And the Lord God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.”
Genesis 3:2-3 NIV
The woman said to the serpent, “We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, 3 but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’”
You think God is vague? That He gives 1/2 truths? There is no room for opinions on this. God said do not do this, or this will happen. They did not have to understand anything else. When I tell my dog "NO!" He stops what he's doing and doesn't need to understand why not. Neither does a young child---obedience is what is needed at the time.
I already showed this in post #131. Apparently you did not read it.
Transliteration from Hebrew.
17 and~from~TREE (וּמֵעֵץ /
u'mey'eyts)
the~DISCERNMENT (הַדַּעַת /
ha'da'at)
FUNCTIONAL (טוֹב /
tov)
and~DYSFUNCTIONAL (וָרָע /
wa'ra)
NOT (לֹא /
lo)
you(ms)~will~EAT(V) (תֹאכַל /
to'khal)
FROM~him (מִמֶּנּוּ /
mi'me'nu)
GIVEN.THAT (כִּי /
ki)
in~DAY (בְּיוֹם /
bê'yom)
you(ms)~>~EAT(V) (אֲכָלְךָ /
a'khal'kha)
FROM~him (מִמֶּנּוּ /
mi'me'nu)
>~DIE(V) (מוֹת /
mot)
you(ms)~will~DIE(V) (תָּמוּת /
ta'mut)
RMT: but from the tree of discernment of function and dysfunction you will not eat from him, given that in the day you eat from him you will surely die,
Your questions are irrelevant to the point that obedience is what was needed. They can be discussed but is not the point of the whole fall.
If you want top believe that it was an actual snake--go right ahead. Certainly doesn't jive with the rest of the bible. The results were obviously on all of creation and not just humanity and I can't even comprehend anyone thinking otherwise. There had been no death before the fall and the animals didn't eat each other either. Adam and Eve were not created immortal. They were expelled from the garden to keep them from the tree of life and being immortals in sin.
Gen 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now,
lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
Gen 3:23 Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.
Gen 3:24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way,
to keep the way of the tree of life.
1Ti 6:15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
1Ti 6:16
Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
Eve obviously knew what the command was for it is she that tells the snake all about it. Right after eating they lost their innocence, the lost their connection with God tht had not been one with any fear involved and now was a fearful one for they ran and hid in fear. They were no longer able to have face to face intimate contact with God---it woulkd be audible. They did begin to physically die, it took several hundred years for they had been creasted in perfect physical condition and still had near perfect environmental conditions, that would get worse only after the flood.
