Does creation get born again?

[Shrewd Manager]

1. Jesus said to them, “Truly I tell you, in the renewal [paliggenesia] of all things, when the Son of Man sits on His glorious throne, you who have followed Me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or wife or children or fields for the sake of My name will receive a hundredfold and will inherit eternal life. (Matt 19:28-29)

But when the goodness and loving kindness of God our Savior appeared, he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration [paliggenesia] and renewal [anakinoseos] of the Holy Spirit, whom he poured out on us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior, so that being justified by his grace we might become heirs according to the hope of eternal life. (Titus 3:4-7)​

Strong’s:
3824 paliggenesía (from 3825 /pálin, "again" and 1078 /génesis, "birth, beginning") – properly, the coming of new birth because "born again"; regeneration.​

3824 /paliggenesía ("renewal, rebirth") is used twice in the NT referring to: a) the re-birth of physical creation at Christ's return (Advent), which inaugurates His millennial kingdom (Mt 19:28; cf. Ro 8:18-25); and b) the re-birth all believers experience at conversion (Tit 3:5).

342 anakaínōsis (from 303 /aná, "up, completing a process," which intensifies kainō, "make fresh, new"; see 2537 /kainós) – properly, a new development; a renewal, achieved by God's power.

ἀνακαίνωσις, (εως, ἡ, a renewal, renovation, complete change for the better (cf. ἀνακαινόω): τοῦ νως, object. genitive, Romans 12:2; πνεύματος ἁγίου, effected by the Holy Spirit, Titus 3:5. (Etym. Magn., Suidas; (Hermas, vis. 3, 8, 9 [ET]; other ecclesiastical writings); the simple καίνωσις is found only in Josephus, Antiquities 18, 6, 10.) (Cf. Trench, § xviii.)

2537 kainós – properly, new in quality (innovation), fresh in development or opportunity – because "not found exactly like this before."​

2. Do not be amazed that I said, ‘You must be born [gennethenai] again.’ John 3:7​

Strong’s:

1080 gennáō – properly, beget (procreate a descendant), produce offspring; (passive) be born, "begotten."

d. peculiarly, in the Gospel and First Epistle of John, of God conferring upon men the nature and disposition of his sons, imparting to them spiritual life, i.e. by his own holy power prompting and persuading souls to put faith in Christ and live a new life consecrated to himself;​

3. Heaven must take Him in until the time comes for the restoration [apokatasaseos] of all things, which God announced long ago through His holy prophets. (Acts 3:21)​

Strongs:
Cognate: 605 apokatástasis (from 600 /apokathístēmi, "restore") – restitution, referring to the "restoration of the physical earth in the Messianic kingdom (Millennium)" (G. Archer).

ἀποκατάστασις, ἀποκαταστάσεως, ἡ (ἀποκαθίστημι, which see), restoration: τῶν πάντων, the restoration not only of the true theocracy but also of that more perfect state of (even physical) things which existed before the fall, Acts 3:21; cf. Meyer at the passage (Often in Polybius, Diodorus, Plutarch, others.)​

Do these scriptures teach that a universal spiritual baptism will occur, and are the terms used essentially synonyms?

 

[Tolworth John]

1. Jesus said to them, “Truly I tell you, in the renewal [paliggenesia] of all things, when the Son of Man sits on His glorious throne, you who have followed Me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or wife or children or fields for the sake of My name will receive a hundredfold and will inherit eternal life. (Matt 19:28-29)

But when the goodness and loving kindness of God our Savior appeared, he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration [paliggenesia] and renewal [anakinoseos] of the Holy Spirit, whom he poured out on us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior, so that being justified by his grace we might become heirs according to the hope of eternal life. (Titus 3:4-7)​

Strong’s:
3824 paliggenesía (from 3825 /pálin, "again" and 1078 /génesis, "birth, beginning") – properly, the coming of new birth because "born again"; regeneration.
3824 /paliggenesía ("renewal, rebirth") is used twice in the NT referring to: a) the re-birth of physical creation at Christ's return (Advent), which inaugurates His millennial kingdom (Mt 19:28; cf. Ro 8:18-25); and b) the re-birth all believers experience at conversion (Tit 3:5).

342 anakaínōsis (from 303 /aná, "up, completing a process," which intensifies kainō, "make fresh, new"; see 2537 /kainós) – properly, a new development; a renewal, achieved by God's power.

ἀνακαίνωσις, (εως, ἡ, a renewal, renovation, complete change for the better (cf. ἀνακαινόω): τοῦ νως, object. genitive, Romans 12:2; πνεύματος ἁγίου, effected by the Holy Spirit, Titus 3:5. (Etym. Magn., Suidas; (Hermas, vis. 3, 8, 9 [ET]; other ecclesiastical writings); the simple καίνωσις is found only in Josephus, Antiquities 18, 6, 10.) (Cf. Trench, § xviii.)

2537 kainós – properly, new in quality (innovation), fresh in development or opportunity – because "not found exactly like this before."​

2. Do not be amazed that I said, ‘You must be born [gennethenai] again.’ John 3:7​

Strong’s:

1080 gennáō – properly, beget (procreate a descendant), produce offspring; (passive) be born, "begotten."

d. peculiarly, in the Gospel and First Epistle of John, of God conferring upon men the nature and disposition of his sons, imparting to them spiritual life, i.e. by his own holy power prompting and persuading souls to put faith in Christ and live a new life consecrated to himself;​

3. Heaven must take Him in until the time comes for the restoration [apokatasaseos] of all things, which God announced long ago through His holy prophets. (Acts 3:21)​

Strongs:
Cognate: 605 apokatástasis (from 600 /apokathístēmi, "restore") – restitution, referring to the "restoration of the physical earth in the Messianic kingdom (Millennium)" (G. Archer).

ἀποκατάστασις, ἀποκαταστάσεως, ἡ (ἀποκαθίστημι, which see), restoration: τῶν πάντων, the restoration not only of the true theocracy but also of that more perfect state of (even physical) things which existed before the fall, Acts 3:21; cf. Meyer at the passage (Often in Polybius, Diodorus, Plutarch, others.)​

Do these scriptures teach that a universal spiritual baptism will occur, and are the terms used essentially synonyms?

No it does not teach that.
We know that when Jesus returns creation will be destroyed and there will be a new heaven and a new earth.

 

[Mountainmanbob]

Yes a new heaven and a new earth
And we will have new glorified bodies.
Why?
Because ours stink with sin.
M-Bob

 

[FineLinen]

1. Jesus said to them, “Truly I tell you, in the renewal [paliggenesia] of all things, when the Son of Man sits on His glorious throne, you who have followed Me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or wife or children or fields for the sake of My name will receive a hundredfold and will inherit eternal life. (Matt 19:28-29)

But when the goodness and loving kindness of God our Savior appeared, he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration [paliggenesia] and renewal [anakinoseos] of the Holy Spirit, whom he poured out on us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior, so that being justified by his grace we might become heirs according to the hope of eternal life. (Titus 3:4-7)​

Strong’s:
3824 paliggenesía (from 3825 /pálin, "again" and 1078 /génesis, "birth, beginning") – properly, the coming of new birth because "born again"; regeneration.
3824 /paliggenesía ("renewal, rebirth") is used twice in the NT referring to: a) the re-birth of physical creation at Christ's return (Advent), which inaugurates His millennial kingdom (Mt 19:28; cf. Ro 8:18-25); and b) the re-birth all believers experience at conversion (Tit 3:5).

342 anakaínōsis (from 303 /aná, "up, completing a process," which intensifies kainō, "make fresh, new"; see 2537 /kainós) – properly, a new development; a renewal, achieved by God's power.

ἀνακαίνωσις, (εως, ἡ, a renewal, renovation, complete change for the better (cf. ἀνακαινόω): τοῦ νως, object. genitive, Romans 12:2; πνεύματος ἁγίου, effected by the Holy Spirit, Titus 3:5. (Etym. Magn., Suidas; (Hermas, vis. 3, 8, 9 [ET]; other ecclesiastical writings); the simple καίνωσις is found only in Josephus, Antiquities 18, 6, 10.) (Cf. Trench, § xviii.)

2537 kainós – properly, new in quality (innovation), fresh in development or opportunity – because "not found exactly like this before."​

2. Do not be amazed that I said, ‘You must be born [gennethenai] again.’ John 3:7​

Strong’s:

1080 gennáō – properly, beget (procreate a descendant), produce offspring; (passive) be born, "begotten."

d. peculiarly, in the Gospel and First Epistle of John, of God conferring upon men the nature and disposition of his sons, imparting to them spiritual life, i.e. by his own holy power prompting and persuading souls to put faith in Christ and live a new life consecrated to himself;​

3. Heaven must take Him in until the time comes for the restoration [apokatasaseos] of all things, which God announced long ago through His holy prophets. (Acts 3:21)​

Strongs:
Cognate: 605 apokatástasis (from 600 /apokathístēmi, "restore") – restitution, referring to the "restoration of the physical earth in the Messianic kingdom (Millennium)" (G. Archer).

ἀποκατάστασις, ἀποκαταστάσεως, ἡ (ἀποκαθίστημι, which see), restoration: τῶν πάντων, the restoration not only of the true theocracy but also of that more perfect state of (even physical) things which existed before the fall, Acts 3:21; cf. Meyer at the passage (Often in Polybius, Diodorus, Plutarch, others.)​

Do these scriptures teach that a universal spiritual baptism will occur, and are the terms used essentially synonyms?

Dear Shrewd: The Father of all fathers has one mighty Plan. That Plan is centered in the Master of reconciliation, the Lord Jesus Christ. The Restoration of the all involves many dimensions of His working, all centered in He who is consuming pur/fire.

Will the Will of all wills prevail?

From Him the all, through Him the all, in Him the all.

 

[FineLinen]

Yes a new heaven and a new earth
And we will have new glorified bodies.
Why?
Because ours stink with sin.
M-Bob

Dear Mountainman: The fact is my friend, we have all been subjected to futility "not willingly" but>>>>

"By reason of Him who so subjected it"

WHY & what is the final outcome?

 

[FineLinen]

No it does not teach that.
We know that when Jesus returns creation will be destroyed and there will be a new heaven and a new earth.

Dear T.J.: We know no such thing! The end is one of total and complete restoration by our glorious Father>>>

The final declaration of Scripture, in the final expression of the Revelation is centered in "grace"!

Behold I create all [things] new!

 

[Shrewd Manager]

Dear T.J.: We know no such thing! The end is one of total and complete restoration by our glorious Father>>>

The final declaration of Scripture, in the final expression of the Revelation is centered in "grace"!

Behold I create all [things] new!

That's it F.L. - anakainosis, paliggenesia and apokatastasis. Three big Greek words for UNIVERSAL SALVATION.

 

[ViaCrucis]

1. Jesus said to them, “Truly I tell you, in the renewal [paliggenesia] of all things, when the Son of Man sits on His glorious throne, you who have followed Me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or wife or children or fields for the sake of My name will receive a hundredfold and will inherit eternal life. (Matt 19:28-29)

But when the goodness and loving kindness of God our Savior appeared, he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration [paliggenesia] and renewal [anakinoseos] of the Holy Spirit, whom he poured out on us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior, so that being justified by his grace we might become heirs according to the hope of eternal life. (Titus 3:4-7)​

Strong’s:
3824 paliggenesía (from 3825 /pálin, "again" and 1078 /génesis, "birth, beginning") – properly, the coming of new birth because "born again"; regeneration.
3824 /paliggenesía ("renewal, rebirth") is used twice in the NT referring to: a) the re-birth of physical creation at Christ's return (Advent), which inaugurates His millennial kingdom (Mt 19:28; cf. Ro 8:18-25); and b) the re-birth all believers experience at conversion (Tit 3:5).

342 anakaínōsis (from 303 /aná, "up, completing a process," which intensifies kainō, "make fresh, new"; see 2537 /kainós) – properly, a new development; a renewal, achieved by God's power.

ἀνακαίνωσις, (εως, ἡ, a renewal, renovation, complete change for the better (cf. ἀνακαινόω): τοῦ νως, object. genitive, Romans 12:2; πνεύματος ἁγίου, effected by the Holy Spirit, Titus 3:5. (Etym. Magn., Suidas; (Hermas, vis. 3, 8, 9 [ET]; other ecclesiastical writings); the simple καίνωσις is found only in Josephus, Antiquities 18, 6, 10.) (Cf. Trench, § xviii.)

2537 kainós – properly, new in quality (innovation), fresh in development or opportunity – because "not found exactly like this before."​

2. Do not be amazed that I said, ‘You must be born [gennethenai] again.’ John 3:7​

Strong’s:

1080 gennáō – properly, beget (procreate a descendant), produce offspring; (passive) be born, "begotten."

d. peculiarly, in the Gospel and First Epistle of John, of God conferring upon men the nature and disposition of his sons, imparting to them spiritual life, i.e. by his own holy power prompting and persuading souls to put faith in Christ and live a new life consecrated to himself;​

3. Heaven must take Him in until the time comes for the restoration [apokatasaseos] of all things, which God announced long ago through His holy prophets. (Acts 3:21)​

Strongs:
Cognate: 605 apokatástasis (from 600 /apokathístēmi, "restore") – restitution, referring to the "restoration of the physical earth in the Messianic kingdom (Millennium)" (G. Archer).

ἀποκατάστασις, ἀποκαταστάσεως, ἡ (ἀποκαθίστημι, which see), restoration: τῶν πάντων, the restoration not only of the true theocracy but also of that more perfect state of (even physical) things which existed before the fall, Acts 3:21; cf. Meyer at the passage (Often in Polybius, Diodorus, Plutarch, others.)​

Do these scriptures teach that a universal spiritual baptism will occur, and are the terms used essentially synonyms?

Regeneration is part of God's larger salvific and redemptive purpose being fulfilled in and for creation, but we wouldn't say that all creation is "born again".

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Shrewd Manager]

Regeneration is part of God's larger salvific and redemptive purpose being fulfilled in and for creation, but we wouldn't say that all creation is "born again".

-CryptoLutheran

Ok, but is there a substantive difference you can discern (not of scale but of principle) between regeneration of an individual in the spirit and that of creation?

 

[Mountainmanbob]

Three big Greek words for UNIVERSAL SALVATION.

Well, the Greeks got that one wrong.
Probably ones who didn't study their bibles.
M-Bob

 

[Shrewd Manager]

Well, the Greeks got that one wrong.
Probably ones who didn't study their bibles.
M-Bob

But seriously, they're interesting words, and kind of foundational.
birth = genesis
regenerate = paliggenesis
new = kainos
renew = anakainos

And used both in relation to the individual and corporate entities, the latter as ta panta, the ALL.

No sale?

 

[ViaCrucis]

Ok, but is there a substantive difference you can discern (not of scale but of principle) between regeneration of an individual in the spirit and that of creation?

Yes, trees do not need to be baptized, because trees have not "sinned and fallen short of the glory of God", Christ did not die in order to make peace between trees and God because through sin trees have become estranged from God. Trees were not created in the image and likeness of God, and so do not need a restoring and healing of the Divine Image. Etc. So while trees, as God's creation, are part of the new creation, of God's renewal and restoration of all things at the Eschaton, they do not receive new birth, they don't need to. We, as human beings, as fallen, depraved, sinful rational creatures, having been created in the image and likeness of God, need the reconciliation, peace, and adoption of grace from God which is found in Christ, by His death and resurrection, in order to restore us to communion with God, and secure for us the hope that we will partake in God's redemption and renewal of all things.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Shrewd Manager]

Yes, trees do not need to be baptized, because trees have not "sinned and fallen short of the glory of God", Christ did not die in order to make peace between trees and God because through sin trees have become estranged from God. Trees were not created in the image and likeness of God, and so do not need a restoring and healing of the Divine Image. Etc. So while trees, as God's creation, are part of the new creation, of God's renewal and restoration of all things at the Eschaton, they do not receive new birth, they don't need to. We, as human beings, as fallen, depraved, sinful rational creatures, having been created in the image and likeness of God, need the reconciliation, peace, and adoption of grace from God which is found in Christ, by His death and resurrection, in order to restore us to communion with God, and secure for us the hope that we will partake in God's redemption and renewal of all things.

-CryptoLutheran

Interesting, but aren't we told that creation groans, don't we see nature in a fallen state - the wolf today may lie down with the lamb, but the lamb is invariably inside the wolf in small pieces. Trees will no longer reach for the sun, but the divine light and lamp - the shekinah glory, as it were..? Job 38:14 says the earth will be turned as clay to the seal, its features will stand out like a garment.

 

[ViaCrucis]

Interesting, but aren't we told that creation groans, don't we see nature in a fallen state - the wolf today may lie down with the lamb, but the lamb is invariably inside the wolf in small pieces. Trees will no longer reach for the sun, but the divine light and lamp - the shekinah glory, as it were..? Job 38:14 says the earth will be turned as clay to the seal, its features will stand out like a garment.

Right, all creation groans and labors under sin and death, that is why it awaits the "freedom of the sons of God", the resurrection of the body and the renewal of all things. But creation groans, creation weeps, creation suffers because moral agents--us--have brought suffering through our estrangement to God. Which is why our redemption, our salvation, is part of God's glorious purpose for creation. That when Christ returns in glory, the dead are raised, and God makes all things new. Our new birth is God's seal and promise to us of that future glory. Trees, mountains, and wolves don't need that--we do.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Shrewd Manager]

Right, all creation groans and labors under sin and death, that is why it awaits the "freedom of the sons of God", the resurrection of the body and the renewal of all things. But creation groans, creation weeps, creation suffers because moral agents--us--have brought suffering through our estrangement to God. Which is why our redemption, our salvation, is part of God's glorious purpose for creation. That when Christ returns in glory, the dead are raised, and God makes all things new. Our new birth is God's seal and promise to us of that future glory. Trees, mountains, and wolves don't need that--we do.

-CryptoLutheran

I tend to disagree. The Bible teaches that there will be a qualitative change to the subject matter of creation in toto, glorification of the entire earth, as the Job verse I edited in suggests. How can there be peace when the wolf nature persists?

When I was born again God gave me a glimpse of the Promised Land, and it was indescribably enriched in vibrancy and depth of heart and spiritual value. A land flowing in milk and honey in their purest perfected state. The riches of His grace, praise His thrice holy name. I don't know if I'll meet my ol little doggy in his new coat there though even he was more deserving than me.

 

[~Zao~]

Regeneration (palingenesia) can be spoken of as an eschatological event because both aspects - judgement and continuity - find scriptural support for the earth as well. Mat. 19:28 (RSV the new world) as can restitution (apokatastasis) The NT talks about renewal and restitution thru judgement and has no personal distinction between mankind and cosmos Gen 3:17, Heb 12:26,28-29, Act 14:17

 

[Shrewd Manager]

Regeneration (palingenesia) can be spoken of as an eschatological event because both aspects - judgement and continuity - find scriptural support for the earth as well. Mat. 19:28 (RSV the new world) as can restitution (apokatastasis) The NT talks about renewal and restitution thru judgement and has no personal distinction between mankind and cosmos Gen 3:17, Heb 12:26,28-29, Act 14:17

Thanks, agree but not sure how those verses support. Do you think it's apt to say that earth can generally by seen as a metaphor for the individual, so we can read verses relating to regeneration/ restitution/ new birth equally in both personal sense and in the sense of 'creation as a whole'? Like Israel is used to denote both an individual and corporate entity?

 

[~Zao~]

Thanks, agree but not sure how those verses support.

No sorry neither do I at the moment.

Do you think it's apt to say that earth can generally by seen as a metaphor for the individual, so we can read verses relating to regeneration/ restitution/ new birth equally in both personal sense and in the sense of 'creation as a whole'? Like Israel is used to denote both an individual and corporate entity?

It fits the pattern with Isaiah that metaphorically portrays Christ as groaning thru His death into the rebirth sometimes using nature as symbolism. iirc. Imo also, Israel portrays the corporate nation and personally in Christianity, usually seen as Israel/Jacob. But I’m not too sure about the latter.

 

[Shrewd Manager]

No sorry neither do I at the moment.
It fits the pattern with Isaiah that metaphorically portrays Christ as groaning thru His death into the rebirth sometimes using nature as symbolism. iirc. Imo also, Israel portrays the corporate nation and personally in Christianity, usually seen as Israel/Jacob. But I’m not too sure about the latter.

I'd heard Gen 1 is often read as a metaphor of personal revelation, from formless and void, the spirit hovers, then the light of Christ!

Thanks yes that's right, in the OT the corporate entity was limited to Israel. I'm interested in making a case for whether the NT revelation is that parallels can be made between the sinner's rebirth and the whole world's renewal in the eschaton. Notwithstanding there may be a mountain of scholarship out there, at present I'm more interested in people's thoughts and examples on the subject.

 

[Tolworth John]

Dear T.J.: We know no such thing! The end is one of total and complete restoration by our glorious Father>>>

The final declaration of Scripture, in the final expression of the Revelation is centered in "grace"!

Behold I create all [things] new!

Poor biblical knowledge on your part.
2Peter3@10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

And as Rev talks about a 'new' heaven and a 'new' earth it follows that the old heaven and earth were scrapped, file13, charity shopped.