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Discussion in 'Christian Philosophy & Ethics' started by ElizaR123, Nov 28, 2017.

  1. ElizaR123

    ElizaR123 New Member

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    I love your way of thinking. You're right. Even the first person video game/Matrix thing is something that I've thought too. God is merciful for the fact that at least after this pointless existence we will find some meaning and a life, a purpose in Him. Otherwise there is nothing but temporary satisfaction.
     
  2. Almost there

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    The argument has been made that the movie, The Matrix, was, in fact, written as a Christian allegory. It may be why the follow ups, written by the brothers, based on the original story, are such lame stories.

    Notice the power Neo has at the end of the first movie. If I have the faith of a mustard seed and tell a mountain to move, it will.
     
  3. ElizaR123

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    It's all futile. Maybe it's nice to strive to find fulfillment and meaning and purpose in living, but that's just our flesh convincing us that anything on the earth is worthwhile. And maybe those little beautiful moments we experience in this life are worth something...But other than that, it's futile.
     
  4. ElizaR123

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    Exactly.
     
  5. yeshuaslavejeff

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    In Salvation, in Jesus, is also the already given gift without measure of His Spirit, as well as immeasurable Peace (no one can shake), Joy (no one can take), and Righteousness (no one can earn). Continually , it is written, now, on earth, as we live in Christ here, as the first century believers lived in Christ continually , daily, full of righteousness, peace and joy.
    Rare to see on earth, yes. Today just as it was then and when this (God's Word, Scripture), was written. Unchangeable Truth, same today as yesterday and forever.
    Not temporary, and not (fleshly nor worldly nor carnal) satisfaction,
    but permanent, eternal, without end, without measure, today.
     
  6. faroukfarouk

    faroukfarouk Fading curmudgeon

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    We need to find joy in the worthiness of the Lamb of God:

    "Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing." Revelation 5.12)
     
  7. ElizaR123

    ElizaR123 New Member

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    Yep.
     
  8. ElizaR123

    ElizaR123 New Member

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    Great post. Everything you said holds truth and I need to meditate on your post for awhile. I find it fascinating that you said you have dealt with bipolar. My ex boyfriend had bipolar (and he didn't really know Jesus), and through his depression and the way he spoke, I knew that he held some sort of a different perspective on life because of the outside view his brain had on the world. Where everyone just has "normal" minds and just continues to do "regular", menial things, my ex almost saw things from the outside. The problem was, since he didn't know Jesus that well, he too thought it was all meaningless and hated the world because of it, and suffers from horrible, suicidal, depression.
    I admire the fact that you took that different perspective and made it into something positive, and I'm even amazed that it is possible. I'm not opposed to a "different" way of thinking, like how you quote CW Lewis' The universe is a Great Dance. It's beautiful that someones mind can be born different but take them to a place that most of us can't understand, or choose to not understand. Most people won't go there. I'm fascinated by psychology. I've spent hours trying to understand the brain of my ex, and after months of thought, I now know the difference between him and I. The reason I've done this is because I'm truly curious...Is there some things that other minds can understand that I can't? Is there a certain amount of wisdom that he or people like him have gained that maybe my brain can't? So I am so curious about even your mind too. All glory to God though, for at the end of the day, He is the only One who can break the chain of something that binds us, emotionally, mentally, psychically. And He is the one who has placed a limit of wisdom, knowledge and understanding for us to gain here on the earth.

    But, I wrote a poem, maybe you'd like to read it? I'll paste it here. (Just a side note, my exes diagnosis is bipolar, anti-social personality disorder, and ADHD. He wanted to kill people and was violent, thus, the reason it's about darkness/psychopathy.)

    The Fine Line Between Sanity and Psychopathy/The Limits of Human Wisdom
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    You edge on the side of iniquitous insanity, while I rest in the integrity of the sane. You dwell in a certain madness, and I fly in devout freedom. You're euphoric in generated chaos, while I flourish in ever present peace. You try to act covertly superior, while I ambivalently endeavor in humbleness. You quest for the worlds utmost terrors, while I withdraw in the feathers of vital innocence. You dive in the fathomless depths of unexplainable horrors while I saunter through an abiding land doused in the wonderment of unadulterated delight.

    Two sides, the darkness and the light, like yin and yang. Spinning, swirling, immeshed in a boundless circle, with the same common knowledge...And we're curious. Both of us know that this world is meaningless; The end is inevitable. The difference is, you thrive on accursed death, while I'm consumed with blessed assurance; there is life through death. ◦
     
  9. MournfulWatcher

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    The whole thing in Ecclesiastes isn't as straight forward as you think. It isn't saying that life has no meaning, it's saying that the meaning isn't always clear, that this life is temporary and we shouldn't try to control everything.

    You're beginning to understand more about life and God, and I completely relate. I encourage you to research some of these questions, I personally follow a lot of youtubers who do philosophy, they've helped me think through a lot of the same questions and ideas you're having. I'll list some sources if you're interested.

    The Bible Project - They talk about a lot of different concepts and books in the Bible and the meaning behind them, accompanied by some really beautiful animations. Their video on Ecclesiastes is one of my favorites, so I'll add the link to that as well:

    InspiringPhilosophy - This guy is awesome. He's very knowledgeable about lot of different subjects within the realm of Christian philosophy. I love his series called "The Case for the Soul" and "Supposed Bible Contradictions".

    derezzed83 - He's also into Christian philosophy, but he can be a bit more difficult to understand than InspiringPhilosophy, but he really goes into depth about whatever it is he talks about. He's very intelligent.

    Joseph Solomon - He's not so much of a philosopher, but I find his videos really encouraging and helpful to my Christian walk. He gives great advice, so you should totally check him out.

    Don't let these thoughts and ideas linger stagnantly in your mind with no solution. Logic and philosophy have been incredibly important to Christianity's history; there are so many resources out there, and they're all so fascinating and can help us understand our faith. It isn't uncommon to feel alone with these thoughts, but try to find people to talk about them with whenever you can. I can definitely relate to the struggle of not knowing anyone who you can talk with about these things.
     
  10. jesus316

    jesus316 All Truth is in Jesus

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    By the word "flesh" I assume you refer to some psychological or biological condition which prevents someone from experiencing life to the full. For people who feel life is futile, it indeed is futile. But in God's perspective, human life in not futile; so there is a mismatch.

    In the eternal utopian new heavens and new earth, we will feel all the joy and fulfillment and connectedness and purpose; just as God intends. Until then, we must struggle by; some more so than others.
     
  11. Open Heart

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    Your poem was so lovely! I really enjoyed reading it. I write poetry too sometimes.

    I am very distrubed about your ex. That is a very toxic combination of traits. It's what my gaming daughter would call "chaotic evil." There's no way he couldn't have had a bad effect on you -- messed with your head and with your soul. Were you trying to "save him"? Why were you with him?
     
  12. ElizaR123

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    Thank you! Chaotic evil...sounds about right. Hmm...I think as with any person, I always have a slight ounce of hope for salvation in someone, or to see positive change in them. But that was later. I was only with him for about 6 months. My first intention, as shameful as it sounds, was to use him for my freedom. I was at a horrible place in my life, where this young man just so happened to be my first and seemingly true taste of independence. I had been homeschooled, sheltered (not complaining about this though, I’m very blessed with my circumstances) and was feeling very lonely. The devil was on me, because not only did I feel that way but the chaos and drama at that time in my personal life was severe; I had craved an escape. And that young man was an escape indeed, a whole different world. Which, when his mania of the season changing kicked in this fall, and his over all fear/push pull feeling he had gotten from being with me (of course, the compromise of my beliefs, my lack of faith, and just dealing with his darkness, of course I would pull back from him. But when life got bad, I clung to him. Not the man specifically, but the life, the “freedom”. His freedom was toxic though and began to choke me. This is what I said about my life at the time, “It’s like I’m drowning, just to come up to smoke.”) he started treating me horribly. Nothing abusive per say, but...how do I describe it? Somehow he was taking over my mind. His insanity was consuming me. My amount of compromise was so painful. So, so painful. In the pit of my stomach I knew God was trying to get me out of it, it was clear that situation wasn’t what He intended for my life, but I didn’t know what to do. It felt like losing my ex would be the loss of my freedom. To stay with him was painful, to leave him would be even more painful. I didn’t even love him. Bottom line is, God provides our freedom, our peace, love, everything and anything. There was no reason to use someone, and knowing God like I do, I shouldn’t have compromised myself. It’s almost though, as if the situation needed to happen in my life. I’m a different person now, or at least, I’m changing. I’m learning what it means to find my freedom on my own, to trust God with my life, and to let go of control. God pulled me out of the mud on that situation...it was horrific. I couldn’t get out, He literally had to come and rescue me. (If you are really curious for the full story, message me, I will gladly tell you!) I am so grateful for His mercy...anyway, there’s way more to my testimony (a whole lot more) but I’ll save that for another day. If my ex did impact me or my soul in a bad way, God is helping me to come out of it. It’s almost as if my ex was the cork to a hole with a dirty gyser beneath, and unplugging him uncovered a lot of past turmoil that happened to actually be hurting me deeply, I had just overlooked it until this happened. God even blessed me with meeting this Christian mentor that I visit every week, and she’s been giving me wonderful guidance and advice. I’m working hard to get my life back on track.
     
  13. Open Heart

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    I understand your need for freedom. I think you were very lucky to be homeschooled, but it does tend to shelter you, and I can see where you might be dying to stretch your wings. But it will come, and SURPRISE it will come with responsibility and then you'll be longing for the days when you were young and homeschooled and taken care of. LOL

    The truth is that the sort of freedom that adolescents long for doesn't exist. There is always someone telling us what to do. If it isn't our parents, it's our boss, it's the government, it's the Bank, it's the IRS, it's the Bible... Even if we ARE the boss, we are beholden to those under us. The CEO has to make the stock holders happy if he wants to stay CEO. The King worries about revolution if he doesn't rule well. The parent worries about how best to parent -- you too will some day.

    Everything comes in its due time. Enjoy each age you are at for its own goodness, with its relative freedoms and responsibilities. Every age can make you happy if you let it. :)

    Going back to your ex.... It's not his bipolar that worries me. Sure it can be a little bit of a roller coaster, but bipolar people are not evil. We can be very nice, very sensitive, very friendly goodhearted people who will be good to you. It's the psychopathy that worries me. We are talking about lack of conscience, manipulation, callousness, willingness to hurt you (at least emotionally if not physically), Machiavellianism, narcissism, gas lighting--basically, using and abusing you, because to him you are only worth what he can get out of you. The bipolar just lends a crazy edge to it. Psychopaths, even if they are functional (meaning non-criminal) are PREDATORS and you, my dear, are his prey. Don't kid yourself for one moment. Be glad that you got out as soon as you did.

    Many moons ago when dinosaurs roamed the earth and I was in the university, I read a short story. There was a girl who lived in a small town and was absolutely dying to escape it she was so dog gone bored. One day a young man drives up in a really slick sports car with the top down and the chrome all shined up. His clothes were cool, and his hair was all slicked back. Hey baby, he says to her... You can kind of guess how it goes. He promises her the world trying to get her to get in the car with him. She almost does. But something in her intuition tells her it's dangerous, so she turns him down. He says, suit yourself, and drives away. She starts to walk home with the uncanny feeling that she just narrowly escaped.

    Satan always looks attractive, and he always promises us what we think we want, but never really delivers.
     
  14. ElizaR123

    ElizaR123 New Member

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    Lol I agree, I always hear about how I will someday long for these days, and I always try to keep that in mind.

    Thank you for the insight and advice. You are right :)

    Yes, his psychopathy is what scared me too. A part of me wanted to believe that I could handle his darkness, but at the be of the day I would say to myself, “maybe I’m too innocent...and that’s ok.”

    About that story...sounds just like what happened to me. The first thought I even got when I first met my ex was, “The devil wasn’t some ugly red horned creature, he looked like a beautiful angel.” And I knew that’s just what He was. He wore a mask that didn’t fool me, but I chose to stay ignorant.

    That’s true about the devil and it’s true through the psychopaths he controls too. They never fully deliver, and never will. It’s always some, but never enough.

    Again, thank you for your insight and conversation :)
     
  15. Purity Clarity Parkes

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    I am here. You may engage in a conversation with me whenever I am in the ‘Chat’ section of Christian Forums. I too, have been wanting to discuss similar things with the people around me. The problem is, aside from my other personalities, I have no one who can ever understand my line of thought. I would happily talk with you any day.
    Yours Sincerely~
    ~Purity Clarity Parkes.
     
  16. ElizaR123

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    Ok thanks! Nice to meet you! :) I would love to hear your line of thought. What do you mean by other personalities, might I ask?
     
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    Easily solved, by helping others.
     
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