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Discussion in 'Christian Philosophy & Ethics' started by ElizaR123, Nov 28, 2017.

  1. ElizaR123

    ElizaR123 New Member

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    Oh yay! Glad to hear someone else is in the same place! Lol I can't seem to figure out how inbox or anything works on here. Hi :D
     
  2. ElizaR123

    ElizaR123 New Member

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    That's an interesting statement..I'll have to give it some thought. :)
     
  3. ElizaR123

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    Outer space is insane, isn't it?
     
  4. disciple1

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    Knowledge of the bible you can take with you, Jesus said heaven and earth will pass away but his words will never pass away.

    Matthew chapter 4 verse 4
    Jesus answered, "It is written: 'Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.'"
    Romans chapter 1 verse 28
    Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done.

    John chapter 8 verse 31,32
    To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, " If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.
    2 John
    9 Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son.
    Job chapter 23 verse 12
    I have not departed from the commands of his lips; I have treasured the words of his mouth more than my daily bread.

    Matthew 11
    28 “Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.”
    Luke chapter 21
    33 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.
    Romans chapter 10
    17 Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word about Christ.
    Mark chapter 13
    31 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.
    James chapter 1
    25 But whoever looks intently into the perfect law that gives freedom, and continues in it—not forgetting what they have heard, but doing it—they will be blessed in what they do.
    James chapter 4
    8 Come near to God and he will come near to you. Wash your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you double-minded.
    Isaiah chapter 45 verse 19
    I have not spoken in secret, from somewhere in a land of darkness; I have not said to Jacob's descendants, 'Seek me in vain.' I, the LORD, speak the truth; I declare what is right.
    Jeremiah chapter 9
    24 but let the one who boasts boast about this:
    that they have the understanding to know me,
    that I am the Lord, who exercises kindness,
    justice and righteousness on earth,
    for in these I delight,”
    declares the Lord.
    Jeremiah chapter 5 verse 1
    5 “Go up and down the streets of Jerusalem,
    look around and consider,
    search through her squares.
    If you can find but one person
    who deals honestly and seeks the truth,
    I will forgive this city.
    Psalm 119 verse 114
    You are my refuge and my shield; I have put my hope in your word.
     
  5. ElizaR123

    ElizaR123 New Member

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    Thanks for the reply, I hear what you're saying. Ultimately God gives us a purpose and a reason here and God is our purpose and meaning here on earth, that's true. And I agree about Ecclesiastes too. I guess I'm just more baffled by knowing the fact that everything else on the earth is meaningless. Like, even with everything I know about God being our meaning, I still just can't comprehend and get over the fact that people die, and that this life isn't forever, and just, everything. How do I even explain it, I can't. I also can't believe that others don't know this, that most people just go through life ignoring these facts. Another purpose we have on the earth is to spread the gospel in hopes of others getting saved, so that they can have their eyes opened to these facts and enjoy eternal life with God.
     
  6. ElizaR123

    ElizaR123 New Member

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    Yep. :)
     
  7. ElizaR123

    ElizaR123 New Member

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    Yes definitely. I love reading the book of Ecclesiastes to put everything into perspective. Sometimes life is too much, and then I am reminded that this life means nothing. (Obviously, not NOTHING nothing, but just, nothing.)
     
  8. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    Amen and HalleluYAH ! :)

    As it is written, and remains written, unchanged: we are dead to the world, and the world is dead to us. The world has no more power over us, and no attraction to keep us from dwelling with Yeshua in Yahweh's Kingdom now, today, on earth.
     
  9. ElizaR123

    ElizaR123 New Member

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    Yes! :D
     
  10. Tom Farebrother

    Tom Farebrother Well-Known Member Supporter

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    I suppose there’s the big question, what’s the ultimate meaning of it all, and the smaller but maybe more immediate question of finding meaning in everyday life. I suppose that can mean a lot of things, love for family and friends, pets, stuff that you love doing, achievement, meaningful service. All those things have meaning, it seems that God created us in part to see us enjoy all of the good things he made for us. But, yes it’s hard. I mean as I think you’re saying there’s a lot about life that can be in your face brutal, nasty, seemingly pointless, or just empty. Haha I don’t really know what to say about that, it’s real and I think part of life is to find a way to accept that - and in accepting that there’s also a responsibility to carve out your own meaning, i.e who you will be as a child of God in a difficult and fairly random world. It’s tough, that’s for sure ;-)
     
  11. Radagast

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    No, "uni." Don't give in! :)
     
  12. Radagast

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    Dizzying!
     
  13. Open Heart

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    Hello, my friend. :) Let me introduce myself. I am a Christian Existentialist whose favorite book of the Bible is Ecclesiastes. When I was your age, I was absolutely overwrought with anxiety and depression with the meaninglessness of my existence. I am naturally a very introspective, philosophical person, so I think deeply about this stuff. I am also bipolar, and back in those days it wasn't controlled, so my depressions were bad ones. I read a lot of Dostoevsky, Sartre, Camus, Kierkegaard... But Ecclesiastes was my favorite.

    If you are anything like me, I know that nothing I or anyone else says to you right now is going to be a final word for you. It's going to be a long journey for you to sort this stuff out. Know that that's okay.

    Here is how it resolved for me.

    Because all things come from God, they have intrinsic value. If God didn't exist, then there would be no meaning. But our Creator fills the universe with himself, his meaning, his essence and purpose.

    You cannot know this from philosophy and reason. Philosophy and reason are great things -- they are God given and wondrous. I think that people should be as rational as possible. But reason will only take you so far until you hit a wall. This is the wall that all existentialists hit, including the author of Ecclesiastes.

    Ah, but what of Christian Existentialists? Kierkegaard got to that wall, using all his logical resources, and then let go and walked through it in faith.

    You are very, very young still. There is a lot you have yet to experience. I don't know what kind of personality you have, whether you are sensory or intuitive, grounded or mystic....

    I have these moments where I experience the entire universe as joy. Where ever leaf on the trees, every blade of grass just figuratively sings. It's as if, if I could use CS Lewis' metaphor, the entire universe were a Great Dance. It reminds me of the Psalmist's words, "The heavens declare the glory of God." If you've ever had such an experience, then you have to conclude one of two things: either you are a nutcase, or life has meaning.

    But this meaning of life just isn't the things that people go looking for. There are false lures that are addictive in nature that promise fulfillment and don't deliver. They suck you in and suck you dry, because you can never get enough to satisfy that animal desire for pleasure. They are LIES when they are confused with happiness:
    • wealth/material things
    • power/influence/status
    • sex
    • food
    • alcohol and drugs

    There are a lot of different elements to what we call happiness. Let me just whip a few out off the top of my head, and speak from 56 years of going from a very depressed person to a person of great happiness.

    CONTENTMENT:
    A lot of what we call happiness is simply contentment, feeling like we had a good day, a good week, a good year. You don't plan it, you can't examine it while it's happening. What you do is LIVE IN THE MOMENT. Then, when you look back, you feel happy about things. In fact, even if things were rough, you still feel good because you got through it, you handled it, it passed, tomorrow is another day.

    INNER PEACE:
    There is nothing like a clear conscience to make a person feel happy. You definitely sleep better at night. This was the conclusion of the author of Ecclesiastes, who wrestled with what was important: "When all is said and done, this one thing remains: Love God and OBEY HIS COMMANDMENTS, for this is the whole of man."

    MEANING:
    In short, we make ourselves happier by bringing happiness to others. It is better to give than to receive. It amazes me how people will throw away their lives trying to make more money when they are already unhappy making $300,000 a year, when those same two hours of overtime could be spent at a soup kitchen and bring true feelings of richness.

    FOCUS:
    We loose our happiness because we become seduced by things that don't bring it to us. How do we keep our focus on what is important? Let me tell you a story that has helped me through my life:

    There was once a young chinese woman who owned a restaurant with her husband. Every day early in the morning she would come in to begin work, and one of the things she would do was make the fortune cookies. She would start by pulling out her mat and praying, and receiving the fortunes, seeing the faces of the people they were meant for. Then she would get up and write them down one by one.

    One day, a good friend of hers, a young man who had grown up in the town, came into the restaurant. At the end of his meal, she delivered his fortune cookie to him. She watched from afar as he opened and read it. He considered it for some time. He glanced around and didn't seem to catch her watching him. Then he tore off the smallest piece of the fortune and ate it. The woman smiled, for she knew that he understood that for a fortune to come true, the receiver had to nourish it. His fortune had been, "You will die a happy man."

    Receiving the fortune changed the man. It made him think, "What if today were my last day?" He would spend more time with his children and wife, and act more patiently with others. He was kinder and more generous to his co-workers and made more friends. Sometimes he would break off another piece of the fortune, which he always kept in his shirt pocket.

    Life went by, and the woman grew very old. One day she received new that her friend had passed away, and her family was invited to the funeral. As prayers were said and incense was lit, she thought back over his life and hers. Afterwards she spoke with many of their mutual friends. They enjoyed sharing different stories, surprising one another. But the one thing they all agreed upon -- he had died a happy man.
     
  14. dhh712

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    Everything matters here a lot on earth because we are living for the glory of the Lord! Everything we do matters. The only people for whom life really is meaningless (at least according to their own mindset, what it practically works out to) are those who do not believe. That is the mind-blowing part of it. They make up something to live for, but the reality is that there is absolutely no purpose to life outside of God.

    I found that to be very astounding when I first realized it as a believer. No matter what "meaning" the believer comes up with it is in fact purposeless because with death you cease to exist (according to them). So that takes away all made-up meanings of life. Say it is for happiness--that is the meaning of life to the unbeliever. Then, according to that mindset, all those who live in miserable conditions, destitute or deprived of health, should all die. They should be executed because their life is pointless.

    To live for posterity. That falls flat on it's face. There's an *end* in death, posterity doesn't make life somehow extend forever. And eventually, the family line may end when the children don't have children of their own. Then you've got a meaningless life again. Even if you look at "posterity" in the larger sense, that's not giving much meaning to the meaning of life then. So, the meaning of life is... life. Okay, that's like saying, "What's the point of this circular hair tie?" "Oh, it's a circular hair tie!" Okay... Thanks for the great amount of information there!

    So you have all these unbelievers running around living for... nothing really. It's crazy. Whatever thing they've made up that makes them feel like it's worth it to go on. Most people who live in modern civilizations are okay with this because many have comfortable lives. That's why you see religion so much more in poorer countries because these people are able to see how awful and really difficult life can be (well, ultimately it's because the Lord sovereignly works in their hearts to give them the gift of faith). A wealthy society is often spiritual poor. The pleasures of the world which the Lord bestows upon people makes them invent up meanings out of the life outside of God.

    A verse in 2 Thess states that he gave them up to strong delusions because they loved not the truth. This is what is going on here.

    Once society regresses again from it's golden age and people see again how hard life is, they'll realize that there is no meaning to it outside of God. More of them will at least.
     
  15. Devin P

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    Well, it's not that everything is pointless, what Solomon meant was that finding happiness outside of God with all of those things was pointless. Ecclesiastes was written after Solomon spent his life worshipping other gods and other similar things. So him saying that all things are pointless, it's really just the fact that without God, what's the point. We can't take any of it with us, so who cares?
     
  16. Tom Farebrother

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    Really enjoyed reading this, great points
     
  17. faroukfarouk

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    "Only one life
    'Twill soon be past.
    Only what's done
    For Christ will last."
     
  18. jesus316

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    Solomon was not a Godly man. His conclusions about life are idiotic. We are to strive to find fulfillment and meaning and purpose in living, and have hope in the final glorious eternal utopian existence in the new heavens and new earth.

    That said, psychological factors such as depression, and environmental and social factors such as poverty, war, exploitation, and etc all work against to make this difficult or impossible.
     
  19. Almost there

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    When talking with people flirting with Christianity, I always tell them to read Ecclesiastes and then John.

    And yes, this life is utterly meaningless without God. It's a point I try to make to staunch atheists all the time. And here is a secret: As you get older and face your end, it becomes more and more relevant. I say that as a 64 year old who no longer gets into new restaurants, new cars, or pretty much any of the stuff that used to get me all excited. I see this life as one of those first person video games, or The Matrix, it is not really real in the way we think of reality, and my spirit has merely been injected into a human biological machine for a few decades. That machine well come to an end, but I won't.

    To be clear, I won't because I'm saved. The lost DO come to an end. The bible calls it the second death. Which gets to the core of Christianity. Those that choose to be in eternity with their creator will be. Those that don't, won't. Their "soul" will die. I see the soul as the software (mind) that runs on the hardware we call a brain.
     
  20. yeshuaslavejeff

    yeshuaslavejeff simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua

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    Test everything.
    Remember in Christ we are to be looking to the Father in heaven, depending on Him and relying on Him for all things, including healing us inside and out. Not introspective (which is a very, very dangerous thing to focus on or practice).
    Sorry, but so much on the internet is likewise , and it's a lot like quicksand all around us, quicksand that looks just like solid ground, in the dark....
    Seek bedrock (God's Word) upon which to think and to stand in Christ.
     
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