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Does a Sinner Need to DO Anything to Get Saved?

Discussion in 'Salvation (Soteriology)' started by Alpha.Omega, Apr 26, 2018.

  1. dreadnought

    dreadnought Lip service isn't really service. Supporter

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    Here’s what John said:

    For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. John 3:16 RSV
     
  2. BNR32FAN

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    And it came to pass, when Pharaoh had let the people go, that God led them not through the way of the land of the Philistines, although that was near; for God said, Lest peradventure the people repent when they see war, and they return to Egypt:

    repent


    H5162


    Lemma:

    נָחַם


    Transliteration:

    nâcham


    Pronounce:

    naw-kham'


    Part of Speech:

    Verb


    Language:

    heb


    Description:

    1) to be sorry, console oneself, repent, regret, comfort, be comforted a) (Niphal)

    1) to be sorry, be moved to pity, have compassion

    2) to be sorry, rue, suffer grief, repent

    3) to comfort oneself, be comforted

    4) to comfort oneself, ease oneself b) (Piel) to comfort, console c) (Pual) to be comforted, be consoled d) (Hithpael)

    1) to be sorry, have compassion

    2) to rue, repent of

    3) to comfort oneself, be comforted

    4) to ease oneself


    Grammar:

    a primitive root; properly, to sigh, i.e. breathe strongly; by implication, to be sorry, i.e. (in a favorable sense) to pity, console or (reflexively) rue; or (unfavorably) to avenge (oneself); comfort (self), ease (one's self), repent(-er,-ing, self).


    Occurrences in Bible:

    108


    Occurrences in Verses:

    100


    KJV usage:

    comfort (57x), repent (41x), comforter (9x), ease (1x).
     
  3. RDKirk

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    So you're saying that sacrifices under the Mosaic Covenant are continuing or can continue?
     
  4. Alpha.Omega

    Alpha.Omega Active Member

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    And, here is what Jesus Himself says: " and saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe in the gospel"

    Which is right? first? second? or both?
     
  5. Alpha.Omega

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    Jesus Christ is the"Lamb slain before the foundation of the world" (Revelation 13:8). And His is the ONLY sacrifice that really counts, as it ALONE can Atone for sins. ALL that OT sacrifices are a "shadow" of the reality which is the Death of Jesus on the cross, which was also for the sins of those in the OT.
     
  6. Alpha.Omega

    Alpha.Omega Active Member

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    even Dr Luke? You are stretching it a bit!
     
  7. Dave-W

    Dave-W Welcoming grandchild #7, Arturus Waggoner! Supporter

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    Say some biblical interpretations.

    Our Lord said His Blood was of the NEW Covenant; not the Mosaic covenant.
    So I do not agree with that interpretation.
     
  8. Dave-W

    Dave-W Welcoming grandchild #7, Arturus Waggoner! Supporter

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    Luke was either a Jew or a God Fearer.
     
  9. Dave-W

    Dave-W Welcoming grandchild #7, Arturus Waggoner! Supporter

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    A post-Bar Kochba Christian invention. I do not agree.
     
  10. dreadnought

    dreadnought Lip service isn't really service. Supporter

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    I look at it as a two-part process. We get ourselves into messes, and the Lord rescues us. However, we need to repent if we want to enter heaven. I often quote Matthew 4:17.
     
  11. Alpha.Omega

    Alpha.Omega Active Member

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    And Jesus says that the sinner must first repent to obtain forgiveness without which you cannot be born again
     
  12. Alpha.Omega

    Alpha.Omega Active Member

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    So the Bible is wrong?
     
  13. Alpha.Omega

    Alpha.Omega Active Member

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    Colossians 4:10-14 has Luke listed with gentles
     
  14. Dave-W

    Dave-W Welcoming grandchild #7, Arturus Waggoner! Supporter

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    Not the bible; the way you have been taught to understand the bible.
    Big difference.
     
  15. Dave-W

    Dave-W Welcoming grandchild #7, Arturus Waggoner! Supporter

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    Not necessarily. But it could mean he was a God Fearer.
     
  16. Alpha.Omega

    Alpha.Omega Active Member

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    So you are Messianic your understanding could be biased
     
  17. thecolorsblend

    thecolorsblend If God is your Father, who is your Mother? Supporter

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    I haven’t seen anybody state the contrary in this thread.
     
  18. RDKirk

    RDKirk Alien, Pilgrim, and Sojourner Supporter

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    I think Dave-W is doing so. See post #67
     
  19. BNR32FAN

    BNR32FAN He’s a Way of life Supporter

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    That’s very interesting thank you for sharing that.

    Hebrews 10:10

    10 in the which will we are having been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once,

    10 ἐν (By) G1722 Prep ᾧ (this) G3739 RelPro-DNS θελήματι (will) G2307 N-DNS ἡγιασμένοι (sanctified) G37 V-RPM/P-NMP ἐσμὲν (are) G1510 V-PI-1P διὰ (through) G1223 Prep τῆς (the) G3588 Art-GFS προσφορᾶς (offering) G4376 N-GFS τοῦ (the) G3588 Art-GNS σώματος (body) G4983 N-GNS Ἰησοῦ (Jesus) G2424 N-GMS Χριστοῦ (Christ) G5547 N-GMS ἐφάπαξ (once) G2178 Adv
     
  20. BNR32FAN

    BNR32FAN He’s a Way of life Supporter

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    But look at the Greek word and definition for the word once.


    By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

    once


    G2178


    Lemma:

    ἐφάπαξ


    Transliteration:

    ephápax


    Pronounce:

    ef-ap'-ax


    Part of Speech:

    Adverb


    Language:

    greek


    Description:

    1) once, at once a) all at once b) once for all


    Grammar:

    from ἐπί and ἅπαξ; upon one occasion (only):--(at) once (for all).


    Occurrences in Bible:

    5


    Occurrences in Verses:

    5


    KJV usage:

    once (5x).
     
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