DOES A PRAYER OF FAITH CHANGE GOD'S PLANS?

[Si_monfaith]

If we are praying in accordance with Gods will, yes.

When we don't know what we ought to pray for, how can we ascertain God's will?

 

[Tolworth John]

When we don't know what we ought to pray for, how can we ascertain God's will?

Then you pray intelligently for that person or situation.

None of the 'God bless Asia bibi, but God be with her, protect her, the family and those sheltering them from the wrath of the islamic murders hunting them. Give them peace of mind. Blind the eyes of those searching for them, challenge them with the reality of the injustice they are seeking to do. etc etc etc

 

[Si_monfaith]

Then you pray intelligently for that person or situation.

None of the 'God bless Asia bibi, but God be with her, protect her, the family and those sheltering them from the wrath of the islamic murders hunting them. Give them peace of mind. Blind the eyes of those searching for them, challenge them with the reality of the injustice they are seeking to do. etc etc etc

Doesn't the verses Romans 8: 25-27 state that prayer is caused by God not humans?

 

[Tolworth John]

Doesn't the verses Romans 8: 25-27 state that prayer is caused by God not humans?

No. What it says is that the Hol;y Spirit living in us interprets our groans and sighs when we cannot find the words to say. We still have to make an effort to talk to God.

 

[Si_monfaith]

No. What it says is that the Hol;y Spirit living in us interprets our groans and sighs when we cannot find the words to say. We still have to make an effort to talk to God.

Where does it say that? Quote the verse.

 

[JackRT]

Usually it is believed that a prayer of faith creates human plans, fulfills them and changes the plans of God.

Charles Templeton wrote in “Farewell to God” --- “According to Christian theology, God is omniscient and exists apart from time. Being omniscient he knows the end from the beginning. But if true, would this not mean that all temporal life is predetermined? If God knows the end from the beginning then nothing is subject to change --- otherwise it would not have been known from the beginning. This being so, prayer cannot possibly change anything and there is no point to it. Apart from its function as worship, prayer is based on the premise that God can be talked into running the universe according to the wishes of a devout person on his knees. But, again, try to imagine the chaos if every devout person's prayers were answered! Belief in the efficacy of prayer is a form of self-delusion. Our real prayers are not what we say while on our knees --- the facile words whispered during a prayer. They are the aspirations, attitudes, and desires that motivate our daily lives. It is easy to prime the pump and have the words gush forth in a torrent of pious phrases but the proof of what we really want, regardless of what we say we want, is evident in the way we live. “

 

[Si_monfaith]

Charles Templeton wrote in “Farewell to God” --- “According to Christian theology, God is omniscient and exists apart from time. Being omniscient he knows the end from the beginning. But if true, would this not mean that all temporal life is predetermined? If God knows the end from the beginning then nothing is subject to change --- otherwise it would not have been known from the beginning. This being so, prayer cannot possibly change anything and there is no point to it. Apart from its function as worship, prayer is based on the premise that God can be talked into running the universe according to the wishes of a devout person on his knees. But, again, try to imagine the chaos if every devout person's prayers were answered! Belief in the efficacy of prayer is a form of self-delusion. Our real prayers are not what we say while on our knees --- the facile words whispered during a prayer. They are the aspirations, attitudes, and desires that motivate our daily lives. It is easy to prime the pump and have the words gush forth in a torrent of pious phrases but the proof of what we really want, regardless of what we say we want, is evident in the way we live. “

Can humans cause prayer in the light of Romans 8:26?

 

[hhodgson]

Can humans cause prayer in the light of Romans 8:26?

Hasn't this been pretty well overly discussed about the (human cause prayer) thing, along with several other one-liner questions you throw at us that has nothing to do with our Word of Faith beliefs. Again, have you considered spreading out your wings?

 

[Si_monfaith]

Hasn't this been pretty well overly discussed about the (human cause prayer) thing, along with several other one-liner questions you throw at us that has nothing to do with our Word of Faith beliefs. Again, have you considered spreading out your wings?

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Have you read Romans 8: 26?

 

[Tolworth John]

Where does it say that? Quote the verse.

matthew 6V5+6 when you pray.
Not an invite to pray nor a command but an assumption that you will be praying.

 

[Si_monfaith]

matthew 6V5+6 when you pray.
Not an invite to pray nor a command but an assumption that you will be praying.

So you want to ignore the truth in Romans 8: 26 that none knows what to pray for?

Didn't Lord say His Spirit leads into all truth and you ignore that?

 

[hhodgson]

Have you read Romans 8: 26?

Already answered in one other thread but you already knew that, right? And he's STILL here disrupting other posters so what should one do? He's already been reported by others.

 

[Si_monfaith]

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What was answered and what was the answer?

Are you trying to hinder fellowship and answering of questions?

 

[hhodgson]

What was answered and what was the answer?

Are you trying to hinder fellowship and answering of questions?

Seriously? These (continuous) one-liner questions from you are NOT fellowshipping. You have some of (your) same questions flying all over the place from thread to thread. To my answer to this question of yours... Check the "CAUSE OF PRAYER" thread (Your the OP). What was answered and what was the answer... is in Post 4. You have to quit flying around so much, unless... you fly where you are more suited to fit in with your Calvinist influence. A little research will show that your doing the same thing in other forums that is also causing disruption there.

Several questions were asked of you by (several) in the current five active threads HERE (on this forum) that were left un-answered. Did you notice that most of the other posters on these same current threads just quit and backed off? They were (mostly) here to truly fellowship with us and know the forum rules and know when to back off as (we also would) if and when we entered their home forum. Yes, every once in a while someone will come into our home and say something stupid as (trolls) do and run off. That happens in every forum. The lack of respect.

A question for (each of us) in these current active threads HERE on this forum. (Remember... and keep in mind, this is Word of Faith forum).

Are we about our Father's business? Fellowshipping here is not centered around Calvinist influence as it has been with the bulk of your posting. This is our home. Please respect that. We are Word of Faith...

That leaves this...

"We preach about the Love of God. It's time to demonstrate it." Breaking forum rules is definitely not "Christ like." (Something to think about). Can we get an...

brother?

 

[Si_monfaith]

Seriously? These (continuous) one-liner questions from you are NOT fellowshipping. You have some of (your) same questions flying all over the place from thread to thread. To my answer to this question of yours... Check the "CAUSE OF PRAYER" thread (Your the OP). What was answered and what was the answer... is in Post 4. You have to quit flying around so much, unless... you fly where you are more suited to fit in with your Calvinist influence. A little research will show that your doing the same thing in other forums that is also causing disruption there.

Several questions were asked of you by (several) in the current five active threads HERE (on this forum) that were left un-answered. Did you notice that most of the other posters on these same current threads just quit and backed off? They were (mostly) here to truly fellowship with us and know the forum rules and know when to back off as (we also would) if and when we entered their home forum. Yes, every once in a while someone will come into our home and say something stupid as (trolls) do and run off. That happens in every forum. The lack of respect.

A question for (each of us) in these current active threads HERE on this forum. (Remember... and keep in mind, this is Word of Faith forum).

Are we about our Father's business? Fellowshipping here is not centered around Calvinist influence as it has been with the bulk of your posting. This is our home. Please respect that. We are Word of Faith...

That leaves this...

"We preach about the Love of God. It's time to demonstrate it." Breaking forum rules is definitely not "Christ like." (Something to think about). Can we get an... View attachment 247107 brother?

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Post #4 was followed by a question to which there was no answer but silence. Why are you silent?

Do you disagree with a fellowship based on scripture? Are you trying to stop me from asking questions because of your concerns with plain scripture?

A question whether a one liner or many liners, isn't a question always a question?

 

[now faith]

Seriously? These (continuous) one-liner questions from you are NOT fellowshipping. You have some of (your) same questions flying all over the place from thread to thread. To my answer to this question of yours... Check the "CAUSE OF PRAYER" thread (Your the OP). What was answered and what was the answer... is in Post 4. You have to quit flying around so much, unless... you fly where you are more suited to fit in with your Calvinist influence. A little research will show that your doing the same thing in other forums that is also causing disruption there.

Several questions were asked of you by (several) in the current five active threads HERE (on this forum) that were left un-answered. Did you notice that most of the other posters on these same current threads just quit and backed off? They were (mostly) here to truly fellowship with us and know the forum rules and know when to back off as (we also would) if and when we entered their home forum. Yes, every once in a while someone will come into our home and say something stupid as (trolls) do and run off. That happens in every forum. The lack of respect.

A question for (each of us) in these current active threads HERE on this forum. (Remember... and keep in mind, this is Word of Faith forum).

Are we about our Father's business? Fellowshipping here is not centered around Calvinist influence as it has been with the bulk of your posting. This is our home. Please respect that. We are Word of Faith...

That leaves this...

"We preach about the Love of God. It's time to demonstrate it." Breaking forum rules is definitely not "Christ like." (Something to think about). Can we get an... View attachment 247107 brother?

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Never the less some come out with prayer and fasting.

 

[SavedByGrace3]

All these questions cease if you will resolve to see Jesus to be the perfect image of God instead of using the "general attributes of God." I cannot count the number of times I have seen and heard people completely discount the words of Jesus and the Bible because they chose to see God as the "Omni" being instead of the love being.
There is a reason that Hebrews 5 and 6 declare that the fundamentals of doctrine are the "first principles of the doctrine of Christ." If you have not made Christ, the words of Christ, and the teachings about Christ the foundation of your doctrinal building, you will be constantly plagued by doubt as you always overrule the teaching of the gospel and the words of Christ with your "omni" factors. Your doctrinal building will be warped, uneven, and constantly falling down.
Put the doctrines of Christ first... and you will escape this pit.

Hebrews 5:
11 Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing.
12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.
14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

Hebrews 6:
Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
3 And this will we do, if God permit.

Note verse 3. God may not allow you to come to a fuller understanding of the Word if you refuse to build your doctrinal foundation on "the principles of the doctrine of Christ.
Not the omni powers. Not super sovereignty.
Christ, His words, and teaching about Christ are the foundation upon which all else is built.

the principles of the doctrine of Christ:
the foundation of repentance from dead works
faith toward God,
the doctrine of baptisms
laying on of hands
resurrection of the dead
eternal judgment

Start here. And then work your omni factors around these. It will change the way you see God, the Word, and your teaching about Him.

 

[tbeachhead]

Usually it is believed that a prayer of faith creates human plans, fulfills them and changes the plans of God.

So, do prayers of faith create human plans and fulfill them OR helps us know God's plan and express it before God and humans?

Did Joseph ever make prayers of faith to bring God's plan (revealed to Him in two dreams) to its fulfillment? Through his life, does the Holy Spirit convey the message that God's plan will certainly be fulfilled regardless and the purpose of prayers of faith are to witness Jesus as Lord in heaven and earth through which God's glory is displayed?

The prayer of faith enables God's plan...our cooperation on earth makes us co-laborers. A legal decree must be executed to be seen, and we've been given the power to execute what has already been decreed in heaven.

 

[Jan800]

Usually it is believed that a prayer of faith creates human plans, fulfills them and changes the plans of God.

So, do prayers of faith create human plans and fulfill them OR helps us know God's plan and express it before God and humans?

Did Joseph ever make prayers of faith to bring God's plan (revealed to Him in two dreams) to its fulfillment? Through his life, does the Holy Spirit convey the message that God's plan will certainly be fulfilled regardless and the purpose of prayers of faith are to witness Jesus as Lord in heaven and earth through which God's glory is displayed?

the prayer of faith SHOULD line up with the bible, b/c God will never grant a request contrary to it

 

[Jan800]

When we don't know what we ought to pray for, how can we ascertain God's will?

praying in the spirit aka speaking in tongues. we can never pray amiss when we do it. A prayer of faith will be in accordance to what the bible says never against it