Randy777
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Rev 1:6 ..and has made us to be a kingdom and priests to serve his God and Father--to him be glory and power for ever and ever! Amen.
I think if we are to be truthful Jesus has a God and Jesus Himself, (and He should know), has openly stated so. (the Father)
There is a distinction being made by Paul that isn't captured by orthodox trinity statements
yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.
Push comes to shove the firm foundation of the understanding of the trinity is mystery.
Jesus referring to the Father as the ONLY TRUE GOD
Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent
Also Jesus has His own spirit "Father into your hands I commit my Spirit"
THE Fathers promise=>"'In the last days, God says, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams.
And in acts 2 it was stated that the Spirit Jesus sent into the world He received from the Father and Jesus stated on top of that ,"And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever"
And Jesus made this statement Matt 10:20 ,"for it will not be you speaking, but the Spirit of your Father speaking through you."
So it doesn't surprise me that there are those who object to Jesus as the One true God rather than Christ The Lord who is the image of the invisible God for all the fullness was pleased to dwell in Him. God in that context. The exact reflection of the wisdom and power of God yet not because He always was God
according to Paul Jesus is the firstborn of all creation. He is before all things and not just first in the resurrection but first in everything except the Father from whom all things come.
and The writer of Hebrews declares "when God brings the firstborn into the world let all Gods angels bow to Him"
and...to the church of the firstborn, whose names are written in heaven. You have come to God, the Judge of all, to the spirits of the righteous made perfect,
SO Jesus has a beginning (at some point in history before the world began)but no end. And He was with God in the beginning of creation and the creation was made through Him. and He was ALL that the Father is the exact reflection of gods being for all the fullness was pleased to dwell in Him. in that context mighty God. Hebrews "about the son" and John 1
Summed up is Jesus God?
He never dies - today you shall be with me in paradise
yes, He is all that the Father is
No, He has always been the Son.
And while Jesus does speak of the holy Spirit as separate from Him the Father does not in fact the Father states "MY SPIRIT" in regard to the Holy Spirit the spirit Jesus was baptized with the spirit that came down from above and remained upon Him. The Spirit that was over the waters in the beginning of the creation when God made the heavens and the earth. The Spirit that performed the miracles at Jesus 's will for He has received such authority from the Father who is the one who sent Him into the world.
And it was the Father in the Son doing His work. Hebrews 1 in these last days God spoken to us by His Son JESUS IS THE WORD OF THE FATHER(God) The word of life.
Jesus=>Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work.
Jesus=>For I did not speak on my own, but the Father who sent me commanded me to say all that I have spoken.I know that his command leads to eternal life. So whatever I say is just what the Father has told me to say.”
I think if we are to be truthful Jesus has a God and Jesus Himself, (and He should know), has openly stated so. (the Father)
There is a distinction being made by Paul that isn't captured by orthodox trinity statements
yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.
Push comes to shove the firm foundation of the understanding of the trinity is mystery.
Jesus referring to the Father as the ONLY TRUE GOD
Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent
Also Jesus has His own spirit "Father into your hands I commit my Spirit"
THE Fathers promise=>"'In the last days, God says, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams.
And in acts 2 it was stated that the Spirit Jesus sent into the world He received from the Father and Jesus stated on top of that ,"And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever"
And Jesus made this statement Matt 10:20 ,"for it will not be you speaking, but the Spirit of your Father speaking through you."
So it doesn't surprise me that there are those who object to Jesus as the One true God rather than Christ The Lord who is the image of the invisible God for all the fullness was pleased to dwell in Him. God in that context. The exact reflection of the wisdom and power of God yet not because He always was God
according to Paul Jesus is the firstborn of all creation. He is before all things and not just first in the resurrection but first in everything except the Father from whom all things come.
and The writer of Hebrews declares "when God brings the firstborn into the world let all Gods angels bow to Him"
and...to the church of the firstborn, whose names are written in heaven. You have come to God, the Judge of all, to the spirits of the righteous made perfect,
SO Jesus has a beginning (at some point in history before the world began)but no end. And He was with God in the beginning of creation and the creation was made through Him. and He was ALL that the Father is the exact reflection of gods being for all the fullness was pleased to dwell in Him. in that context mighty God. Hebrews "about the son" and John 1
Summed up is Jesus God?
He never dies - today you shall be with me in paradise
yes, He is all that the Father is
No, He has always been the Son.
And while Jesus does speak of the holy Spirit as separate from Him the Father does not in fact the Father states "MY SPIRIT" in regard to the Holy Spirit the spirit Jesus was baptized with the spirit that came down from above and remained upon Him. The Spirit that was over the waters in the beginning of the creation when God made the heavens and the earth. The Spirit that performed the miracles at Jesus 's will for He has received such authority from the Father who is the one who sent Him into the world.
And it was the Father in the Son doing His work. Hebrews 1 in these last days God spoken to us by His Son JESUS IS THE WORD OF THE FATHER(God) The word of life.
Jesus=>Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work.
Jesus=>For I did not speak on my own, but the Father who sent me commanded me to say all that I have spoken.I know that his command leads to eternal life. So whatever I say is just what the Father has told me to say.”
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