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Featured Does 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 teach that we are not saved by faith?

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by Neostarwcc, Oct 15, 2017.

  1. kjw47

    kjw47 New Member

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    Yes your scriptures are true. But they speak of the real Jesus. Because Jesus is clear at Matt 7:21-23--Any worker of iniquity( practice of sin or willfull sin) will hear these words at judgement--yet they believe( Matt 7:22-23)--thus Matt 7:21 goes along with all of the scriptures you posted to make a truth. The only ones on earth who do powerful works, excorcisms, and the such, do all of the things you have shown, but they practice a sin. ( 1Corinthians 10:21) Hebrews 10:26-- No sacrifice left for any who practice a sin.
  2. ToBeLoved

    ToBeLoved Well-Known Member Supporter

    I don't know. I believe the Bible and your the only one I know who uses this verbage, so I'm going with myself.

    Pride can be a downfall.
  3. iwbswiaihl

    iwbswiaihl Newbie

    The positive statement in Matt 7:21 is the highlighted words; “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. One must become a new creation in Christ I agree with, but it is a growing process to be fruitful. No one enters the kingdom of God full grown in their walk. Fact is as Paul said, we all are pressing on toward the high call of God in Christ Jesus, no one has arrived! I agree with most of the verses of those that believe in a perfect sinless state, but do not believe in any of their conclusions that saints are perfect in their walk as a Christian. We are perfect in Jesus, not perfect in our actions or obedience. Even you posted the Lord's model prayer and in it, it say forgive us our trespasses, what are trespasses but sins, unintentional actions, and offenses according to Strong's concordance. So Jesus was mistaken or what when He told the disciples this model prayer, were they saved?
  4. iwbswiaihl

    iwbswiaihl Newbie

    Greek word meaning from Thayer's Greek Lexicon: sōzō 1-to save, keep safe and sound, to rescue from danger or destruction 1a) one (from injury or peril)1b1) to preserve one who is in danger of destruction, to save or rescue 1b) to save in the technical biblical sense
    1b1) negatively 1b1a) to deliver from the penalties of the Messianic judgment 1b1b) to save from the evils which obstruct the reception of the Messianic deliverance Part of Speech: verb

    Looking at the meaning of being saved, keep safe and sound, rescue from danger or destruction; to save in the technical biblical sense, to deliver from the penalties of the Messianic judgment. does this sound like the meaning you would use from this well known and accepted author? Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Spirit. :amen: sure makes me want to shout praises :bow: and clap :clap:
  5. iwbswiaihl

    iwbswiaihl Newbie

    Instead of reading all those articles, how about just learning what the scripture teach and mean, we know these will be God's words and will; Eph 1:13-14 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory. Wow! heard the word, the gospel of truth, having believed, sealed with the Holy Spirit, until the redemption of the purchase possession, its been paid in full, Jesus said, IT IS FINISHED :clap::clap: That's good enough for me. about you :scratch:
  6. Bible Highlighter

    Bible Highlighter Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul. Supporter

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    I didn't catch your question before because I was busy and I was quickly replying. So I am not honestly trying to avoid it or anything. But to be fair, you did not address Matthew 19:17. Jesus says, "...if you will enter into life, keep the commandments" (Matthew 19:17). What do you think Jesus meant by those words?

    As for your question in regards to 1 John 1:9:
    Well, to answer: Nowhere does 1 John 1:9 says that you sin every five seconds and then you confess anymore than you do so every hour or every day. There is no time frame attached to 1 John 1:9. But 1 John 1:7 (the context) does give us a clue that we should not sin every five seconds or every hour or every day because it says if we walk in the light as he is in the light, the blood of Jesus Christ cleanses us from all sin. 1 John 2:4 says if we say we know Him [Christ] and do not keep His commandments, we are a liar and the truth is not in us. So obviously we cannot be sinning day in and day out. Proverbs 28:13 says that he that confesses and forsakes sin shall have mercy. In Matthew 12:41, Jesus says that the Ninevites will rise up in judgment against this generation because they repented at the preaching of Jonah. If you were to turn to Jonah chapter 3, you would see in verses 6-10 that the King of the Ninevites had told his people to:

    (a) Cry out unto God (i.e. Repentance).
    (b) Forsake their evil ways (i.e. The Natural Fruits of Repentance).

    When God had seen that the Ninevites had forsaken their wickedness, THAT is when God decided to not bring judgment or wrath upon them (Jonah 3:6-10).

    Also, 2 Corinthians 7:1 says that we are to cleanse ourselves from ALL filthiness of the flesh and spirit perfecting holiness in the fear of God. So obviously 1 John 1:9 is not a .... "I can sin today and then confess it next week" type concept. 1 Peter 4:2 says we are to not live the rest of our time here (on this Earth) to the lusts of the flesh (sin) but to the will of God.
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  7. Bible Highlighter

    Bible Highlighter Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul. Supporter

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    Think man! Washing and regeneration of the Holy Ghost is what happens when you first come to the Lord by admitting that your a sinner and asking Him to forgive you (believing that He died and was risen on your behalf). This is the beginning of your salvation! It says, "...according to his mercy he saved us." SAVED. Past Tense! It is not talking about salvation in the present tense. Paul speaks of salvation in the present tense when he says work out your salvation with fear and trembling (Philippians 2:12). Washing and regeneration is what happens when you first are saved. The regeneration does not keep happening.
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  8. Bible Highlighter

    Bible Highlighter Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul. Supporter

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    This is talking about "Initial Salvation" (Justification) again! Keep reading... it then talks about "Continued Salvation" (Sanctification)!

    21 "And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.
    22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness." (Romans 4:21-22).

    So belief and then comes action.
    I never said that it was any other way.
    God's grace and then comes performance because God lives within a person.
    No works, means no God living inside a person.
    No God, means no salvation.
    Because God is holy and He desires to do His holy will through His people.
    That is why one needs works to be saved. It is confirmation that they have God living in them (Who is the source of their salvation). 1 John 5:12 confirms this.
    Do you not see it?
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  9. Bible Highlighter

    Bible Highlighter Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul. Supporter

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    What is the condition of having the seal of God?

    Scripture says, God the Father has set his seal upon those who labor for the meat that endures unto everlasting life.

    "Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed." (John 6:27).

    Are you laboring for the meat that endures unto everlasting life?
    What was the meat that Christ had in John 4?

    Anyways, what is a guarantee?

    Guarantee receipts normally have conditions which you can normally read in the ”fine print”. If you get a guarantee receipt for a certain product and you would like to make a claim, the store might request that you bring both the product and the receipt with you before they are willing to look at your claim. They might also request that you do this within a certain time frame and that you state what’s wrong with the product. Another example could be if someone buys you a bus ticket which guarantees you to get to a certain city PROVIDED that 1) you don’t throw away your ticket, 2) that you embark the right bus on the right time, and 3) that you STAY ON the bus until it arrives at the city. The BUS will arrive at the city as promised, but the question is if YOU will choose to be among the bus passengers.

    1 Samuel 16:14
    But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him.

    Psalms 5:11
    Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me

    Again, circumcision was a ”seal” for those under the old covenant.

    Romans 4:11
    And he received the sign of circumcision, a SEAL of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also.

    This seal WAS broken and guaranteed nothing when those who were circumcised broke the covenant and were cut off from the people of God.

    Romans 2:25-27
    25 For circumcision verily profiteth, IF thou keep the law: but IF thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision. 26 Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision? 27 And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law?

    As you can see, this seal was conditioned on continued faith and obedience. The Holy Spirit marks us as God’s children of the new covenant but if we abandon the faith, and/or live in disobedience then the Spirit of God no longer remains in us and we are no longer sealed. Circumcised (sealed) jews were broken off through unbelief.

    Acts 5:32
    And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

    John 14:15-16
    15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever

    Romans 8:9-10
    9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, IF so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. 10 And IF Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

    God speaks of the Israelites who ”grieved” His Holy Spirit in their rebellion. These Jews were cut off from the promise of entering God’s rest and they became God’s enemies.

    Isaiah 63:10
    But they rebelled, and vexed his holy Spirit: THEREFORE he was turned to be their enemy, and he fought against them. —

    Isaiah 63:14
    As a beast goeth down into the valley, the Spirit of the LORD caused him to rest: so didst thou lead thy people, to make thyself a glorious name.

    In the NT the ”rest” is the eternal rest that all believers will attain. The book of Hebrews continually speak of the promise of eternal rest, in combination with WARNINGS to believers not to miss out on this promised rest through hardening their hearts in unbelief, just as the Israelites did who rebelled against God during the Exodus (Read Hebrews 3 and Hebrews 10).

    Source Used:
    Sealed UNTO the day of redemption, but a seal can be broken Eph. 4:30
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  10. Bible Highlighter

    Bible Highlighter Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul. Supporter

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    No. Jesus is God; And the Trinity is true.

    For the Bible teaches that there is one God (Deuteronomy 6:4) (1 Timothy 2:5) (Isaiah 45:5).

    Yet, the Bible also teaches that there are distinctions within the Godhead or that there is a plural nature to God.

    Here are a couple of quick points:

    #1. The word Elohim (אֱלֹהִ֔ים) is both a singular and a plural noun.
    #2. God refers to Himself in plural form (Genesis 1:26) (Genesis 3:22) (Genesis 11:7) (Isaiah 6:8).
    #3. Plurality of God in New Testament (Matthew 28:19) (2 Corinthians 13:14) (John 14:16-20).
    #4. Introductions to both the Son & Holy Spirit (Daniel 7:9,10,13,14) (John 14:16)
    #5. Different persons of Godhead appear at one time (Luke 3:21-22)
    #6. Distinctions of Wills (Luke 22:42).
    #7. Conversations Between the Godhead (Psalm 2:1-12) (Psalm 45:6-7) (Psalm 110:1) (Matthew 11:27) (John 17:24).

    However, if anyone here is in doubt that Jesus is God Almighty, here is some Scripture that declares that Jesus is God and that He is the Almighty.

    Here is a great article on a list of verses that tell us this.
    (See #45 and other numbers below).

    160 Reasons Jesus Christ is Almighty God

    By Thomas Golda

    1. Jesus IS the visible image of the Invisible God - Colossians 1:15, II Corinthians 4:4...to see Jesus is to see the Invisible God - Mankind was created IN the image of God - Genesis 1:26...Jesus IS the image of God. To see Jesus is to see the Invisible God in the flesh.
    2. Jesus was conceived by God - Luke 1:35, Matthew 1:20. Since Mary was his earthy mother, that makes Jesus fully human..since God was His physical Father, since Jesus did not have an earthy father, that makes Jesus fully God. He was fully man and fully God. The Great Godman.
    3. To see Jesus' face is to see the glory of God - II Corinthians 4:6
    4. Jesus "being in the form of God" makes Him God - Philippians 2:6
    5. Jesus being the brightness of the Father's glory - Hebrews 1:3
    6. Jesus is the exact image of the Father's Person - Hebrews 1:3
    7. That is why to "see Jesus" is to "see the Father" - John 14:9, John 12:45
    8. That is why Jesus said He and His Father are one - John 10:30
    9. Jesus is IN the bosom of the Father - John 1:18. Not "on" the bosom"..not "near" the bosom...IN the bosom...He is in the center of the
    Father. They are "one"
    10. He is called EVERLASTING Father - Isaiah 9:6
    11. Jesus deserves the SAME honour as the Father - John 5:23
    12.Jesus was WORSHIPPED - Matthew 2:11, Matthew 9:12, Matthew 14:33, Matthew 28:9, Luke 24:52..Since only God is to be
    worshipped - Matthew 4:10..that means Jesus is God.
    13. Even angels WORSHIP Jesus - Hebrews 1:6
    14. Heaven falls down before the Lamb - Revelation 5:8
    15. Jesus Created ALL things - Colossians 1:16, Hebrews 1:2, John 1:3, Ephesians 3:9 ....God created all things - Acts 14:15, Isaiah
    45:18, Isaiah 44:24, Isaiah 42:5. Jesus is God
    16. Jesus also made the world - John 1:10. Jesus is God - Isaiah 44:18
    17. Jesus created all things for HIMSELF - Colossians 1:16, Proverbs 16:4(Jesus is God)
    18. By Jesus all things consist - Colossians 1:17
    19. Jesus upholds all things - Hebrews 1:3
    20. Jesus is before all things - Colossians 1:17
    21. Jesus rules heaven and earth - Matthew 28:18. Jesus is God - II Chronicles 29:11
    22. Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath - Mark 2:28, Luke 6:5
    23. Jesus called Himself the Great "I AM" - John 8:58, John 8:24...a quote from Exodus 3:14
    24. In the body of Jesus dwells the fullness of the Godhead - Colossians 2:9
    25. The Father, Son and Holy Ghost are THREE and they are ONE - I John 5:7
    26. And this is all why Jesus is EQUAL WITH GOD - Philippians 2:6
    27. Jesus was "God manifest in the flesh" - I Timothy 3:16
    28. God was in Christ - Galatians 3:17, II Corinthians 5:19
    29. Jesus is the Power of God and the Wisdom of God - I Corinthians 1:24
    30. Jesus "only" hath immortality - I Timothy 6:16
    31. Jesus is Lord of the living and the dead - Romans 14:9
    32. Jesus is called the Saviour - Luke 2:11, Titus 1:4, Titus 2:13, Titus 3:3, II Peter 1:1, II Peter 1:11, II Peter 2:20, II Peter 3:18, I John
    33. Only Jehovah God alone is the Saviour - Isaiah 43:11, Isaiah 45:15 , Hosea 13:4, I Timothy 2:2, Jude 1:25...that means Jesus is God.
    34. Jesus ALONE is the Great Judge - John 5:22. The Judge is God - Hebrews 12:23, Revelation 18:8, Hebrews 13:4, Romans 2:3,5
    Jesus is God. All the verses in the Bible that talk about God being the Judge refer to Jesus, since He alone judges. The Father
    judges no man - John 5:22.
    35. Jesus has the keys of hell and of death - Revelation 1:18. The one that can cast into hell is to be FEARED - Matthew 10:28, Luke
    12:5 Only God is to be feared - Rev 14:7
    36. Jesus is from EVERLASTING - Micah 5:2, Isaiah 9:6
    37. Jesus has NO BEGINNING of days - Hebrews 7:3
    38. Jesus is the SAME, yesterday, today and forever - Hebrews 13:8. A quote from Psalm 102:27. Jesus is God.
    39. Jesus' is in the midst or the center of the throne of God - Rev 1:6
    40. Jesus has the Greatest Name above every name ever named - Philippians 2:9
    41. Jesus' name is the Greatest in the world to come as well - Ephesians 1:21
    42. And it is before name of JESUS, not any other name including Jehovah, that the peoples of the earth and heaven and bowing before
    - Philippians 2:10. Jesus is God - Isaiah 45:22-23
    43. Only by the name JESUS can one be saved - Acts 4:10-12
    44. Jesus is called the Alpha and Omega - Revelation 1:11
    45. Jesus who is the Alpha and Omega is the ALMIGHTY - Revelation 1:7-8
    46. Jesus is called the King of kings - I Timothy 6:15. Jesus is the King - Zechariah 9:9. The King is God - I Timothy 1:17. Jesus is God
    47. Jesus is called Lord of lords - I Timothy 6:15. God is called Lord of lords - Deut 10:17. Jesus is God
    48. Christ is called the ROCK - I Corinthians 10:4. That is who Israel followed. The ROCK who Israel followed was GOD - Deut 32:3-4.
    God is the Rock - Psalm 18:2 and only God is the Rock - Psalm 18:31. Christ is God.
    49. Jesus calls Himself the FIRST AND THE LAST - Revelation 1:11,17. Only GOD is the FIRST AND THE LAST - Isaiah 44:6, Isaiah
    48:12. Jesus is God.
    50. Jesus knows all things (OMNIPOTENT) - John 2:24-25, John 4:29, John 6:64, John 16:30
    51. Jesus is OMNIPRESENT - Matthew 18:20, Matthew 28:20
    52. Jesus' body fills all (is omnipresent) - Ephesians 1:23
    53. Jesus knows the hearts of men - Revelation 2:23
    54. Jesus dwells in the hearts - Ephesians 3:17
    55. And "liveth" in the believers - Galatians 2:20
    56. Jesus knows the thoughts of men - Matthew 9:4, Luke 6:8
    57. And Jesus will judge the "secrets" of men - Romans 2:16
    58. God shed His blood - Acts 20:28
    59. The cross is the "power of God" - I Corinthians 1:17-18
    60. Jesus called the Kingdom of God His Kingdom - John 18:36
    61. Jesus is the "Deliverer" of the believers from the wrath of God - I Thessalonians 1:10, Romans 11:26. Only God is the Deliverer from
    the wrath of God - II Corinthians 1:9-10
    62. In Jesus' name we TRUST - Ephesians 1:12-13, Matthew 12:21, Philippians 2:19. Only in God do we trust - Psalm 4:5, 7:1, 31:1,
    73:28, Isaiah 26:4. Jesus is God.
    63. Jesus is the TRUTH - John 14:6. Jesus is God - Psalm 31:5
    64. Jesus sent the prophets - Matthew 23:34...God sent the prophets - Jeremiah 7:25. Jesus is God who sent the prophets.
    65. Jesus is the Stone of stumbling - I Peter 2:8. A prophesy from Isaiah 8:13-14. God is the stone of stumbling. Jesus is God.
    66. God is the fountain of living waters - Jeremiah 17:13....Jesus is the fountain of living waters - John 4:10-14
    67. Jesus brings reward to the wicked for their works - Matthew 16:27. Jesus is God - Psalm 54:4-5, II Samuel 3:39.
    68. The reward of salvation is "with Jesus" - Revelation 22:12. Jesus is God - Isaiah 62:11, Isaiah 40:10
    69. Jesus gave power to His people - Luke 9:1. Jesus is God - Psalm 68:35
    70. Jesus is called the HOLY ONE - Acts 3:14. Jesus is God - Isaiah 30:15, Isaiah 40:25, Isaiah 41:14, Isaiah 43:15
    71. Jesus is the light - John 8:12. Jesus is God - Psalm 27:1
    72. Jesus is the Husband of believers - Revelation 19:7,9, 21:2, 21:9. Jesus is God - Isaiah 54:5
    73. Jesus gives us rest - Matthew 11:28. Jesus is God - Exodus 33:14
    74. Jesus gathers the sheep - John 10:16. Jesus is God - Ezekiel 34:11
    75. Jesus seeks and saves that which is lost - Luke 19:10. Jesus is God - Ezekiel 34:16
    76. Jesus is the Shepherd - John 10:11,14. Jesus is God - Psalm 23:1
    77. Jesus feeds the people and causes them to sit down - Mark 8:5-10, Matthew 14:19-21. Jesus is God - Ezekiel 34:15
    78. The blood of Jesus cleanses us from sin - I John 1:7. God cleanses from sin - Psalm 51:2, Ezekiel 36:25.. Jesus is God
    79. Redemption is from Jesus Christ - Romans 3:24, Colossians 1:14. Redemption is from God - Psalm 130:7. Jesus is God
    80. Christ is the Redeemer - Galatians 4:5, Galatians 3:13, Revelation 5:9, Titus 2:14. God is the Redeemer - Jeremiah 31:11, Isaiah
    41:14, Isaiah 44:22, Isaiah 44:6, Isaiah 44:24. Jesus is God
    81. Jesus wrote new commandments with His finger - John 8:5-9. This is to show that He is God who wrote the 10 commandments with
    His finger - Exodus 31:18
    82. The Bible declares God. That God is Jesus who is written in all the scriptures - Luke 24:27, Luke 24:44, John 5:39, John 5:46
    83. ALL things are by Jesus - I Corinthians 8:6
    84. John the Baptist, the voice in the wilderness prepared the coming of the Lord - Matthew 3:3. A quote from Isaiah 40:3...He prepared
    the coming of Jehovah God!!!!
    85. Jesus forgave sin - Matthew 9:2, Mark 2:5....and only GOD can forgive sins - Mark 2:7. Only God can forgive sin where they are
    atoned for it. Jesus is God.
    86. Jesus forgave sins and healed diseases - Matthew 9:6. Only God can do that - Psalm 103:3
    87. Jesus calmed the storm - Matthew 8:26...Only God can - Psalm 107:25
    88. God was pierced - Zechariah 12:10...quoted again in John 19:37. Jesus is God
    89. God was priced at 30 pieces of silver - Zechariah 11:12-13...quoted again in Matthew 27:9....Jesus is God.
    90. Jesus returns again with His saints - I Thess. 3:13. A fulfillment of Zechariah 14:5 that says GOD will come with His saints. Jesus is
    91. The Jews wanted Jesus killed for the crime of Blasphemy - Matthew 26:65. In their minds He claimed to be God - John 10:33, and
    Equal with God - John 5:18 and forgave as only God can do - Mark 2:7, Luke 5:21...that was blasphemy is their eyes - Mark 2:7,
    Luke 5:21. Jesus by His words and actions claimed to be God...and that is why He was found guilty by the Jews of blasphemy.
    92. Jesus raised Himself from the dead - John 2:19-21. John 10:17-18
    93. Jesus will raise all the dead - John 6:39-40,44. God raises the dead both physically and spiritually - Ezekiel 37:12-14. Jesus is God
    94. The Spirit of God and the Spirit of Christ are one and the same. Christ is God - Romans 8:9
    95. Jesus quickens (which means to make alive) - John 5:21. Only God can make someone alive - Ezekiel 37:5-6,9. Only God can
    quicken - Psalm 80:18. Jesus is God.
    96. One cannot serve God and mammon - Matthew 6:24. Only God is to be served - Romans 1:9. The One we serve is Jesus Christ -
    Colossians 3:24.
    97. Jesus is the one who "justifies" - Galatians 2:17. ONLY GOD can justifieth - Romans 8:33. Jesus is God.
    98. Jesus "reveals" truth - Luke 10:22, Matthew 11:27. Only GOD can reveal truth - Philippians 3:15, I Corinthians 2:10. Jesus is God.
    99. God will not share His glory with another - Isaiah 42:8, 48:11. But the Father glorifies the Son - John 17:1,5, John 12:23, John 13:31-
    32. Jesus is God and He is ONE with the Father.
    100. ONLY in the name of JESUS is their salvation. There is salvation is NONE OTHER - Acts 4:10-12, II Timothy 2:10. And salvation
    belongs to GOD - Psalm 3:8, Jonah 2:9, Lamentations 3:26, Isaiah 52:10, Psalm 51:14. Since only in the name of Jesus is there
    salvation and salvation belongs to God, that simply means Jesus is God.
    101. Jesus chooses the elect - John 15:16. Jesus is God - I Thess. 2:13, I Cor. 1:27
    102. Men are Jesus' disciples - John 13:35, John 15:8. Jesus is God - Isaiah 8:16
    103. Jesus' voice is the sound of many waters - Revelation 1:15. Jesus is Almighty God - Ezekiel 43:2.
    104. Jesus' feet are like fine brass - Revelation 1:15. Jesus is God - Ezekiel 1:7, Ezekiel 1:28
    105. Jesus' name is the Word of God - Revelation 19:13
    106. All grace comes from God - I Peter 5:10. Jesus is that God where all grace comes from - Rev 22:21, Romans 16:20, I Thess. 5:28,
    II Thess. 3:18
    107. Jesus comes with clouds - Rev 1:7, Matthew 24:30 - Jesus is God - Isaiah 19:1, Jeremiah 4:13, Numbers 11:25
    108. Jesus is called God - John 1:1, Hebrews 1:8
    109. Jesus is called The Great God - Titus 2:13
    110. Jesus is called The Mighty God - Isaiah 9:6
    111. Jesus is called The True God - I John 5:20
    112. Jesus is "God with us" - Matthew 1:21
    113. Jesus is called "My God" - John 20:28. Since there is "no other God" - Isaiah 45:5,21-22..that means Jesus is that God.
    114. Jesus is called "our hope" - I Timothy 1:1. We hope in Jesus - I Cor. 15:19. We are to only hope in God - I Peter 1:21, Psalm 38:15.
    Jesus is God.
    115. Christ is our life - Colossians 3:4. Jesus is God - Psalm 42:8
    116. Jesus is called Faithful - Revelation 19:11. Jesus is God - Deut 7:9
    117. Jesus is called True - Revelation 19:11. Jesus is God - Romans 3:4
    118. Israel temped Christ - I Corinthians 10:9. Jesus is God - Deut 6:16, Numbers 14:22.
    119. Christ sent serpents and destroyed Israel - I Cor 10:9. Jesus is God - Numbers 21:6-7
    120. Jesus rebukes and chastens - Revelation 3:19 - Jesus is God - Hebrews 12:5-7, Proverbs 3:11-12.
    121. Jesus is the Author and Finisher of faith - Hebrews 12:2
    122. God said "Let US make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness" - Genesis 1:26. The plurality refers to the Trinity. This is not talking
    about the angels or heavenly host. Angels cannot create life. Secondly, nowhere is it indicated that angels are made in the image of
    God. Third, there is no indication that mankind is created in the image of angels.
    123. The plurality of the Trinity is also referred to in Genesis 3:22 and Isaiah 6:8. Jesus is God.
    124. Before Jesus became man, He had glory with the Father before the world was - John 17:5
    125. All things are given into Jesus' hand - John 3:35
    126. Jesus is described as "WHICH WAS" dead, and "IS" alive - Revelation 2:8. The one who "which was" and "which is" is Almighty
    God - Revelation 4:8, Revelation 1:8. Jesus is God.
    127. The "Great Day" of the Wrath of the Lamb - Revelation 6:16-17 is the "Great Day" of God Almighty - Revelation 16:14. Jesus is the
    Lamb who is God Almighty.
    128. Jesus is the King - I Timothy 6:15, John 18:37. Jesus is the King who is called the "only wise God" - I Timothy 1:17
    129. Jesus is called the "Just One" - Acts 22:14. Jesus is God - Isaiah 45:21
    130. Jesus "gives" repentance - Acts 5:31, Acts 3:26. Jesus is God - II Timothy 2:25
    131. Jesus reconciled all things to Himself - Colossians 1:20. Jesus is God - Romans 5:18-19
    132. Jesus brings Judgment on the churches in Revelation 2 and 3. Jesus is God - Hebrews 10:30, Deuteronomy 32:35-36
    133. God has a Father - Revelation 1:6. That God is Jesus Christ.
    134. Jesus stilled the waves and rules the sea- Matthew 8:26-27, Mark 4:39-41. Jesus is God - Psalm 89:8-9
    135. Jesus has eyes that are sent forth into all the earth - Revelation 5:6 - Jesus is God - II Chronicles 16:9
    136. To know the love of Christ is to be filled with the fulness of God - Ephesians 3:19
    137. Christ strengthens the believers - Philippians 4:13. Christ is God - Isaiah 40:29, Isaiah 41:10
    138. In Christ's presence is fullness of joy - John 15:11. Jesus is God - Psalm 16:11
    139. To see Jesus is to see the Father and to hate Jesus is to hate the Father as well - John 15:24, John 15:23
    140. Jesus turns the water into wine - John 2:7-11. A creative act to show that Jesus is Creator God.
    141. Jesus walks on water - John 6:19, Matthew 14:26, Mark 6:48 - Jesus is God - Psalm 93:4, Psalm 95:5, Psalm 72:8, Job 9:8
    142. Jesus causes the blind to see - Matthew 9:27-30, Matthew 11:5, Mark 8:22-26, Mark 10:51-52. Jesus is God - Psalm 146:8, Isaiah
    143. Jesus causes the deaf to hear - Matthew 11:5, Mark 7:32, Mark 7:37 - Jesus is God - Isaiah 35:4-5, Isaiah 43:7-8
    144. Jesus causes the dumb to speak - Matthew 9:32-33, Matt 15:31, Mark 7:37, Luke 11:14. Jesus is God - Isaiah 36:6, Ezekiel 24:27,
    Ezekiel 33:22
    145. Jesus causes the lame to walk - Matthew 11:5, Mark 2:11, Luke 7:22 - Jesus is God - Isaiah 35:6
    146. Jesus' face shines as the sun - Matthew 17:2. Jesus is God - Psalm 84:11, Malachi 4:2
    147. Jesus will inherit all nations - Psalm 2:7-8. Jesus is God - Psalm 82:8
    148. Jesus will rule all nations with a rod of iron - Revelation 12:5. Jesus is God - Isaiah 14:5-6
    149. Jesus will smite all nations with a rod or iron. He is the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God - Revelation 19:15. He is Almighty
    God who brings wrath.
    150. Jesus and His Father established the ends of the earth - Proverbs 30:4
    151. Jesus was without sin - II Corinthians 5:21, Hebrews 4:15, I Peter 2:22. Only God is without sin - Deuteronomy 32:4. Jesus is God
    152. Jesus is ABOVE ALL - John 3:31
    153. Jesus is GOD OVER ALL - Romans 9:5
    154. Jesus is LORD OF ALL - Acts 10:36
    155. The Lord God sent His angel to John - Rev 22:6. It is Jesus that sent His angel - Rev 22:16. Jesus is the Lord God.
    156. Jesus is called the "Lord of Glory" - I Corinthians 2:8. Jesus is YHWH God - Psalm 24:8-10
    157. Jesus gets glory now and forever - II Peter 3:18
    158. The Father calls Jesus "LORD" who made heaven and earth - Hebrews 1:10
    159. Heaven is God's throne and earth His FOOTSTOOL - Isaiah 66:1, Matthew 5:34-35. Jesus is God - Matthew 22:44, Hebrews 1:13
    160. Every knee shall bow, and "every tongue" shall confess to GOD - Romans 14:11. The God "every tongue" is confessing to is
    JESUS CHRIST - Philippians 2:11

    Article Source:
    160 Reasons Jesus Christ is Almighty God
  11. iwbswiaihl

    iwbswiaihl Newbie

    I must say after reading your post #126 I had to go back and find your first post on this topic and having read several of your first few responses to other post I now have a better understanding where you are coming from and what our differences are on this topic of faith alone and eternal security which to me go hand in hand. I see that the main issue on this topic is that you believe a person is saved by grace through faith for what you call "Initial Salvation" (Justification). And as many believe and I also, salvation if a one time eternal state, and justification, the legal aspect so to speak is what declares one righteous in Jesus by faith whereby the person is born again, born from above, regenerated. There cannot be but one regeneration per person, no one can or could get lost and then regenerated again, because that is what Hebrews 6 says it would be impossible to renew that person again who tramples under foot the blood of Jesus Christ. Impossible does mean impossible. And Paul would not have said in Phil 1:6 he was fully persuaded that He who began a good work in Him would perform unto the day of redemption. He said that because he wrote Eph 1:13-14 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory. So either this passage is a lie or having trusted after hearing the word of truth the believer is sealed with the Holy Spirit as the guarantee of their inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession. And we both know the scriptures do not lie. And no where does one scripture nullify the truth taught somewhere else in the word of God. There are exceptions but no contradictions. Kings were given the spirit of administration in the OT such as Saul and that gift was taken away, but that was not losing salvation that he never had nor does it say that. The Lord spoke through a donkey once but the donkey wasn't saved was it? Explained this passage in Ephesian's how one can be sealed with eternal life and lose it if it is unto the day of redemption and how can eternal life be temporary. One could never know they were eternally saved if that was the case. Eternal means eternal, I and many people do not have trouble believing that the author or our salvation who started our salvation is able to keep it to the end, Heb 12:2 looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God. Faith is the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things not seen Heb 11:1. Some people keep saying that those who believe we are saved by faith alone do not believe in putting of the deeds of the flesh and walking in the Spirit, which I have always stated, but surely do not believe that salvation is received by grace through faith, and then is kept by any act or acts of my own, nor that one can habitually live in the flesh could have ever been saved to begin with, 1John2:15-17 Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 16 For all that is in the world—the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life—is not of the Father but is of the world. 17 And the world is passing away, and the lust of it; but he who does the will of God abides forever. I believe you quoted these verses in a post John 8:31-32 Then Jesus said to those Jews who believed Him, “If you abide in My word, you are My disciples indeed. 32 And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.” Look in an interlinear study bible and see that Jesus said to those Jews who believed Him is in the perfect tense, and here is the illustration for that tense; Jesus said on the cross it is finished, it never has to be repeated. Just as if you knew someone from childhood and saw them 50 years later you would still know them, the same perfect tense in English, an action happening in the past that never has to be repeated. That is saving faith and it will abide in the sealed believer, they will never fall away because they are sealed and there is therefore now no condemnation to them that are in Christ Jesus. But I am not going to keep repeated the same things over and over, at some point we will have to agree to disagree, each tub sits on its own bottom is my favorite saying about this.
  12. Randy777

    Randy777 Well-Known Member

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    Jesus is the way to the Father and no one enters the kingdom of God except by Him. Jesus is the one who baptizes with the Holy Spirit. Is that Spirit received by following the law or by faith in Jesus? A change of heart or repentance is part of the salvation process as was with Zacchaeus a chief tax collector in whom Jesus stated was a sign of true salvation. It takes Gods Holy Spirit to convict and change a person or lead a person to Jesus. As no one comes to the Son unless the Father enables them. I believe anyone who continue to sins has never known the Lord. By their fruit you will recognize them. A good tree does bare bad fruit. So the sexual immoral will not enter the kingdom of God. Don't get me wrong I am free will. Those that are willing to listen and learn from the Father go to the Son. Jesus forgave the women caught in adultery and informed her to sin no more or leave her life of sin. The forgiveness was by the grace and mercy and LOVE of God not by following rules and regulations and infact she broke the law that would have condemned her. Jesus offered the woman at the well living water even though He knew she had five husbands and the man she was living with at that time wasn't her husband. SO Gods grace is greater than mans sinful nature. It is written the Spirt given helps us in are weaknesses. As Jesus stated anyone who sins is a slave to sin unless the Son sets them free and if the Son sets them free they shall be free indeed. No slave has a permanent place in a family but a Son remains forever.

    The love of God is greater than the sin of mankind.
  13. ToBeLoved

    ToBeLoved Well-Known Member Supporter

    I don't know if this is your understanding too, but I believe that Jason believes that we are justified in a moment by Christ but it doesn't stick because the first time we sin, that justification is gone, out the window and we have to earn our salvation after loosing that initial justification.

    I think that's how he puts the works aspect into it.
  14. iwbswiaihl

    iwbswiaihl Newbie

    I must say that he and I would surely disagree on the topic of this original post. Saved by grace alone by faith and perfection in our walk. But I do believe this, we may have a difference in our understanding, and after applying Rom 10:8-10 and believing on the essentials of salvation, I believe one may not fully have come to knowledge of all the truths and applications of the scriptures, but they are still saved and hopefully we will all come to a more complete understanding of the word of God. I do like his passion, and as I said to him in one of my post, he will make a wonderful witness when he comes to a better understanding of the topic. I imagine he would hope that I would come to a better knowledge of the topic. Most people cannot defend their beliefs, that is easier changed in one who has convictions than in one who can take either path because they can't defend their position. Have a great day.
  15. ToBeLoved

    ToBeLoved Well-Known Member Supporter

    I wish he would attend a Bible church and get under the teaching of a good pastor, not be self taught. That's where I think he errors and stays in error rather than learning and growing.
  16. kjw47

    kjw47 New Member

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    100% fact of the Hebrew language=
    Elohim= NEVER plural when used for the true living God. Only for false gods.
    I am that I am = error in trinity translations--I will be what I will be is correct in the Hebrew language translated.

    the trinity scholars know these 2 facts, yet will do 0 about truth vs mistranslating.

    Truth from Jesus, the Messiah= John 20:17, Rev 3:12--- How does God have a God?
  17. kjw47

    kjw47 New Member

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    Yes repented sin is forgiven( acts 3:19) Certain teachers tell ones that Jesus covered all their sins--that is not truth if they do not repent( stop doing the sin)--1Cor 6:9-11 is clear on what real repentence is= That is what some of you were( past tense--not present tense)--though one could slip, but then its important to stand back up and NEVER practice a sin.
    Paul was clear--Jesus sacrifice does not cover any who practice sin ( Heb 10:26)--or willfull sin.
  18. iwbswiaihl

    iwbswiaihl Newbie

    If what you say is true, tell me if this is the true God in Ex 3:6 Moreover He said, “I am the God of your father—the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.” And Moses hid his face, for he was afraid to look upon God. And in the Strong's word meaning #0430 its says it is in the plural on each time God is used in the verse, and the same word is used too many times for me to count in the OT.
  19. iwbswiaihl

    iwbswiaihl Newbie

    While most of what you say I agree with, but not that His blood was not sufficient enough to cover all our sins and the sins of the world. His sacrifice took the punishment for all our sins, Heb 10:14 for by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being sanctified. We are sealed with the Holy Spirit at thej new birth, once for all time unto the day of redemption. Just because one does not believe that does not make it void. And Rom 8:28 through the rest of that chapter states that nothing shall separated us from the love of God. And nothing means nothing, even though that is not a license to sin and many will say to Him Lord, Lord and you know the rest will not be heaven not because they gave up, or lost their salvation, its because like He said, I never knew you, Matt 7:21-23
  20. Bible Highlighter

    Bible Highlighter Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul. Supporter

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    "Jesus saith unto her,
    "Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.""
    (John 20:17).

    Is Jesus (Who is God) really saying He has a God?
    In other words, does God have a God?

    Well, in the beginning of the gospel of John, it says this...

    John 1:1-2 KJV - "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was WITH God, and the Word WAS God. The same was in the beginning with God."

    In other words, John 20:17 is speaking in a similar way as John 1:1. The Word (Jesus - who is God) was with God the Father.

    So when Jesus says... "I ascend unto... my God..." He is acknowledging that He is ascending to the Father who is God in essence in being (as a part of the plurality of the Godhead).

    Yet, how can God have a God? Doesn't that imply a possession?
    Yes, but Jesus says elsewhere, "I and the Father are one" (John 10:30).
    Also, when Jesus uses the word "my" in the words "my God" He is also referring to whom He always obeys, too (Sort of like how a loyal servant always obeys His ruling King).

    For Jesus says elsewhere, "... for I do always those things that please him." (John 8:29).
    Also, when Jesus claimed to be God, and the Pharisees wanted to kill him for it, Jesus quoted Old Testament Scripture that says, "ye are gods." (i.e. gods = kings) as a way of protecting His mission in going to the cross (John 10:34).