Does 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 teach that we are not saved by faith?

[kjw47]

The only problem is the scriptures never stated Jesus was a angel or Michael. They show Michael as a angel and a commander of other angels: Context a General. Jesus context is Lord and Christ Son of the King. And a king at Gods command except Jesus's kingdom is not of this world. (hebrews)(John)(rev)
I already state Jesus has a beginning but no end.

Jesus was never called son until his baptism. No the kingdom is not of this world yet--post Har-mageddon, Gods kingdom will be the only ruling authority left in all creation-Daniel 2:44)

 

[Randy777]

Jesus was never called son until his baptism. No the kingdom is not of this world yet--post Har-mageddon, Gods kingdom will be the only ruling authority left in all creation-Daniel 2:44)

Yes as in today I have begotten you. He has NEVER called an angel or Michael.

 

[Randy777]

Jesus was never called son until his baptism. No the kingdom is not of this world yet--post Har-mageddon, Gods kingdom will be the only ruling authority left in all creation-Daniel 2:44)

So? The ratio is narrow road vs wide Road and if there are millions of christians then there are many more who are not of the faith so few is a relative term. But the numbers don't mean salvation by works.
You are big on a righteousness based off works and highlight judgment and have painted Jesus a angel. Which was a very recent event considering the age of the church.
Jesus was unknown until He was revealed in these last days to the world. A son was promised. John was told the one He sees the holy Spirit come down on and remain upon is the christ and the one who would baptize with the Holy Spirit. How the christ was identified or revealed to Israel.

 

[kjw47]

Yes as in today I have begotten you. He has NEVER called an angel or Michael.

Jesus was only named Jesus as a mortal, No mention of that name in the ot, but its obvious he was always second in command. And he is mentioned in the ot. All evidence points to Michael. God did not come to earth.

 

[kjw47]

So? The ratio is narrow road vs wide Road and if there are millions of christians then there are many more who are not of the faith so few is a relative term. But the numbers don't mean salvation by works.
You are big on a righteousness based off works and highlight judgment and have painted Jesus a angel. Which was a very recent event considering the age of the church.
Jesus was unknown until He was revealed in these last days to the world. A son was promised. John was told the one He sees the holy Spirit come down on and remain upon is the christ and the one who would baptize with the Holy Spirit. How the christ was identified or revealed to Israel.

James said--Faith without works is dead. So one does want to do works to build up a strong living faith.
Fact-- Living in a satan ruled world, it will be a battle everyday between the flesh and the spirit. The toughest accomplishment one will ever achieve is to live now doing Jesus' Fathers will-Matt 7:21)
satan beat 99% living now--centuries ago.

 

[Randy777]

James said--Faith without works is dead. So one does want to do works to build up a strong living faith.
Fact-- Living in a satan ruled world, it will be a battle everyday between the flesh and the spirit. The toughest accomplishment one will ever achieve is to live now doing Jesus' Fathers will-Matt 7:21)
satan beat 99% living now--centuries ago.

Its not that Christians don't have good fruit its just that they are justified by faith not works. Hebrews 11 expands on actions prompted by a faith. We are sanctified by faith in Jesus. And though hebrews 11 shows actions based on faith no examples were given of following a strict code that produced perfection. Nor has any works earned the forgiveness of sins. Zacchaeus a chief tax collecter was an example of true salvation -repentance and a change of heart.

 

[Randy777]

Jesus was only named Jesus as a mortal, No mention of that name in the ot, but its obvious he was always second in command. And he is mentioned in the ot. All evidence points to Michael. God did not come to earth.

It was the Father living in Him doing His work. God with us through His Son. Immanuel. There is no such evidence that states Jesus is Michael. Its just a lie that some have come to follow for such teaching did not come from above. In fact the testimony that is given paints a Jesus who is ALL that the Father is. (God) not an angel. Which again there is nothing in ALL of scripture that suggests or states Jesus was Michael or a angel. Yes the son to be born who is called Christ the Lord was given a name for our benefit by God and it wasn't Michael. Michael is shown to be a angel and commander of other angels. Jesus is shown as a SON who was the builder over Gods house and one who has a place on the Fathers throne. One who has All authority in heaven and earth and under the earth. "To which of the angels did God state sit at my right hand until I make your enemies your footstool."

In fact John 1 is testifying about Jesus and such a Son isn't painted as an angel but One who is the image of God and called God. Michael is never shown in such a light.

 

[kjw47]

It was the Father living in Him doing His work. God with us through His Son. Immanuel. There is no such evidence that states Jesus is Michael. Its just a lie that some have come to follow for such teaching did not come from above. In fact the testimony that is given paints a Jesus who is ALL that the Father is. (God) not an angel. Which again there is nothing in ALL of scripture that suggests or states Jesus was Michael or a angel. Yes the son to be born who is called Christ the Lord was given a name for our benefit by God and it wasn't Michael. Michael is shown to be a angel and commander of other angels. Jesus is shown as a SON who was the builder over Gods house and one who has a place on the Fathers throne. One who has All authority in heaven and earth and under the earth. "To which of the angels did God state sit at my right hand until I make your enemies your footstool."

In fact John 1 is testifying about Jesus and such a Son isn't painted as an angel but One who is the image of God and called God. Michael is never shown in such a light.

God called Moses God--Angels are called godlike-Psalm 8:5==others are called gods-Psalm 82:6-- the whole trinity belief is on a capitol G God in the last line of John 1:1--Fact says its a small g god that belongs there. In the second line of J 1:1--in plain trinity English= and God was with God if a capitol G belonged--How can God be with God if there is one God?
One is saved by faith in the real God and his son. And works builds that faith into standing under pressures. Any can say they have faith. Few even know what Jesus taught. How can one obey him if they don't know his teachings?

 

[kjw47]

It was the Father living in Him doing His work. God with us through His Son. Immanuel. There is no such evidence that states Jesus is Michael. Its just a lie that some have come to follow for such teaching did not come from above. In fact the testimony that is given paints a Jesus who is ALL that the Father is. (God) not an angel. Which again there is nothing in ALL of scripture that suggests or states Jesus was Michael or a angel. Yes the son to be born who is called Christ the Lord was given a name for our benefit by God and it wasn't Michael. Michael is shown to be a angel and commander of other angels. Jesus is shown as a SON who was the builder over Gods house and one who has a place on the Fathers throne. One who has All authority in heaven and earth and under the earth. "To which of the angels did God state sit at my right hand until I make your enemies your footstool."

In fact John 1 is testifying about Jesus and such a Son isn't painted as an angel but One who is the image of God and called God. Michael is never shown in such a light.

There is evidence--you wont believe it. Rev 6 proves it.

 

[Randy777]

There is evidence--you wont believe it. Rev 6 proves it.

Proves what?

 

[Randy777]

God called Moses God--Angels are called godlike-Psalm 8:5==others are called gods-Psalm 82:6-- the whole trinity belief is on a capitol G God in the last line of John 1:1--Fact says its a small g god that belongs there. In the second line of J 1:1--in plain trinity English= and God was with God if a capitol G belonged--How can God be with God if there is one God?
One is saved by faith in the real God and his son. And works builds that faith into standing under pressures. Any can say they have faith. Few even know what Jesus taught. How can one obey him if they don't know his teachings?

CONTEXT Jesus is all the the Father is - God as all the fullness was pleased to dwell in Him the creation was made through Him and HE is called God by the Father JESUS is Gods firstborn and has always been the Son He was not made a angel and is not Michael

About the Son
He also says,

“In the beginning, Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth,
and the heavens are the work of your hands.

In speaking of the angels he says,

“He makes his angels spirits,

and his servants flames of fire.”d

8But about the Son he says,

“Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever;
a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.
9You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness;
therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions
by anointing you with the oil of joy.”e



I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard?

 

[kjw47]

CONTEXT Jesus is all the the Father is - God as all the fullness was pleased to dwell in Him the creation was made through Him and HE is called God by the Father JESUS is Gods firstborn and has always been the Son He was not made a angel and is not Michael

About the Son
He also says,

“In the beginning, Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth,
and the heavens are the work of your hands.

In speaking of the angels he says,

“He makes his angels spirits,

and his servants flames of fire.”d

8But about the Son he says,

“Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever;
a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.
9You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness;
therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions
by anointing you with the oil of joy.”e



I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard?

Who are Jesus' companions???= angels. God set him above them as the archangel.

 

[Randy777]

Who are Jesus' companions???= angels. God set him above them as the archangel.

Jesus has been given all authority in heaven and earth and His being is above the angels (about the Son)
In speaking of the angels he says,
“He makes his angels spirits,
and his servants flames of fire.”d
But about the Son he says,
“Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever;
a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.
9You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness;
therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions
by anointing you with the oil of joy.”e

Again Jesus has never been called an angel let alone Michael in all of scripture and no such teaching was given by God that He ever was an angel or Michael.

 

[kjw47]

Jesus has been given all authority in heaven and earth and His being is above the angels (about the Son)
In speaking of the angels he says,
“He makes his angels spirits,
and his servants flames of fire.”d
But about the Son he says,
“Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever;
a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.
9You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness;
therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions
by anointing you with the oil of joy.”e

Again Jesus has never been called an angel let alone Michael in all of scripture and no such teaching was given by God that He ever was an angel or Michael.

It was--GIVEN--to Jesus-- If he were God it would already be his, but it wasn't--God gave it to him. He is not God, he is a creation--The firstborn( created direct-first and last)--He tells you that at Proverbs 8, yet few know its him speaking.

 

[Apostleoftruth]

I pretty much believe that we need to pratice a holy life, like killing all of our mortal desire and follow the way that Jesus teach us

 

[Tayla]

Now does this teach that we are not saved by our faith?

We express our faith through works. (James 2:14-24) Faith without works is mere belief. When we act on our belief, it becomes faith.

Note: I am not referring to works without faith, nor am I saying we are saved by works. It's about proper understanding of the nature of faith.

 

[Randy777]

And Jesus teaches--FEW will find the road.

there are many millions of believers, Christians, vs many more that are not. Jesus gave the ratio wide vs narrow roads but those on the narrow road came to Christ by faith.

 

[Randy777]

Hebrews 11 gives many examples of faith actions but not one of a righteousness by works of the law.

 

[Danthemailman]

We express our faith through works. (James 2:14-24) Faith without works is mere belief. When we act on our belief, it becomes faith.

We express faith already established through works. Faith without works is an empty profession of faith/dead faith (James 2:14) and at best is simply "mental assent" belief.

Note: I am not referring to works without faith, nor am I saying we are saved by works. It's about proper understanding of the nature of faith.

Having a proper understanding of the nature of faith is critical. I've seen many people erroneously define faith as obedience/works, yet faith is not simply defined as obedience/works. *Faith is believing, trusting, relying. *Obedience which follows is works and we are saved through faith, not works (Ephesians 2:8,9). Hebrews 11:1 - Faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.

In Hebrews 11, we notice in all of these occurrences that is was "by" or "out of" faith, not faith is in essence, these acts of obedience/works. Their faith was genuine and it was shown by their actions (works - James 2:14-18) so all of these works of obedience accomplished in Hebrews 11 were done "by" or "out of" faith, but those works of obedience were not the essence of faith, but are the evidence (fruit) of faith. *That is absolutely critical to understand. We are saved through faith at it's origin and not at some time later, based on our works (Romans 4:2-6).

 

[Randy777]

We express faith already established through works. Faith without works is an empty profession of faith/dead faith (James 2:14) and at best is simply "mental assent" belief.

Having a proper understanding of the nature of faith is critical. I've seen many people erroneously define faith as obedience/works, yet faith is not simply defined as obedience/works. *Faith is believing, trusting, relying. *Obedience which follows is works and we are saved through faith, not works (Ephesians 2:8,9). Hebrews 11:1 - Faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.

In Hebrews 11, we notice in all of these occurrences that is was "by" or "out of" faith, not faith is in essence, these acts of obedience/works. Their faith was genuine and it was shown by their actions (works - James 2:14-18) so all of these works of obedience accomplished in Hebrews 11 were done "by" or "out of" faith, but those works of obedience were not the essence of faith, but are the evidence (fruit) of faith. *That is absolutely critical to understand. We are saved through faith at it's origin and not at some time later, based on our works (Romans 4:2-6).

Faith - about the first passover If a wise egyption who believed in God and feared God painted their door frame or door with blood they would have kept the angel from entering their house. By faith they would have saved their firstborn. Likewise if a stubborn Jew thought that was ridiculous and didn't paint their door frame with blood the angel would have entered their home and killed their firstborn. God sets the condition and that condition wasn't based on heritage.

God made a distinction between the righteous and unrighteous even among the Israelites. Jesus is how God chose to forgive sin. Its not for man to choose how to forgive sin.