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Do you worship the sacrifice or the sacrificer?

Discussion in 'General Theology' started by MasterYourLife, Aug 2, 2019.

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  1. charsan

    charsan Charismatic Episcopal Church

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    Taking one verse out of context does not constitute a doctrine. Indeed there is only one God and no one has said there is not. It is a mystery there is one God in three Person. Christ is God and always has been and always will be as John 1 says the Word was with God and the Word was God and Colossians 2:9 which states quite clearly "For the full content of divine nature lives in Christ, in his humanity"
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  2. St_Worm2

    St_Worm2 Senior Member Supporter

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    I'll be back in a couple of hours (Dv), but here's a short video for you to watch in the meantime that I thought you might like, as it is both informative AND very funny. It's mostly about what the Trinity is ~not~.

    Enjoy :D

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  3. Gracia Singh

    Gracia Singh Newbie Supporter

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    I actually went through a long phase of not getting this, either. In eternity, the Father, Word, and Spirit existed. The Father begat and begets the Son in eternity, and the Spirit proceeded from and proceeds from the Father and the Son eternally.

    The Word became flesh. All Three are fully divine, fully God.

    In Scripture, God generally refers to the Father. It can refer to the Trinity as well, though.
  4. timothyu

    timothyu Well-Known Member

    That is where doctrine comes in
  5. iLearn

    iLearn New Member

    I don't know much about the nature of God. I am a simple man so just I fixed my attention to Jesus as the one and only God.
  6. Blade

    Blade Veteran Supporter

    It was always JESUS at 1st. But I remember well .. I would get these nice thoughts "what about the Father". Some of you know that thought that came out of no where lol

    Amen brother "both"
  7. timothyu

    timothyu Well-Known Member

    Considering Jesus said He did nothing of His own will (except choose to put the will of the Father first and do as the Father willed)
  8. Strong in Him

    Strong in Him I can do all things through Christ Supporter

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    God the Father sent Jesus.
    Jesus is God.
    There is one God; Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

    A person should only post in this forum if they accept the Trinity; see the Statement of Purpose at the top of the forum.
  9. Strong in Him

    Strong in Him I can do all things through Christ Supporter

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    Exactly. ONE God, who is Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
    In the beginning, when God created the heavens and the earth, Genesis 1:1, the Spirit of God hovered over the waters, Genesis 1:2. Then God spoke and the world came into being, Genesis 1:3-5, etc. John tells us that in the beginning was the WORD; the Word was with God and the Word was God. All things were created through the Word, John 1:3. In verse 14 we are told that the Word became flesh. In Colossians 1:16 we are told that all things were created through Christ and that he is before all things.

    God created through his Son, who is God, in the power of his Spirit, who is God. There is only ONE God.
  10. JIMINZ

    JIMINZ Well-Known Member

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    But first, A few Verses for Everyone to consider.

    Mat. 23:17 Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gold,
    or the temple that sanctifieth the gold?

    Mat. 23:19 Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gift,
    or the altar that sanctifieth the gift?

    Luke 22:27 For whether is greater, he that sitteth at meat,
    or he that serveth?
    Is not he that sitteth at meat?

    but I am among you as he that serveth.

    John 10:29
    My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all;
    and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

    John 14:28
    Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you.
    If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father:
    for my Father is greater than I.

    John 10:30
    I and my Father are one.

    Rom. 8:3,4
    3) For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh,
    God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
    4) That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

    John 17:22
    And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them;
    that they may be one, even as we are one:

    John 10:38
    But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works:

    that ye may know, and believe,
    that the Father is in me, and I in him.

    John 15:5
    I am the vine, ye are the branches:
    He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit:

    for without me ye can do nothing.

    John 14:17

    Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him:
    but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

    John 14:20

    At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father,
    and ye in me,
    and I in you.

    SO, the Son is in the Father
    we abide in the Son,

    and the Holy Spirit of God Dwells in us.

  11. Athanasius377

    Athanasius377 Is a little right of Atilla the Hun Supporter

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    I believe in the Athanasian Creed yet I am not Roman Catholic. It is one of the three ecumenical creeds along with the Apostles, Nicene Creeds. It is confessed by Anglicans, Lutherans, most Reformed bodies (that I am aware of) and others in addition to the Roman church. The word catholic is a word derived from the Greek καθολικός, and meaning ‘general’ or ‘universal’.
  12. Albion

    Albion Facilitator

    You seem to have misread something along the way. I am a Monotheist and a Trinitarian.
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  13. MarkRohfrietsch

    MarkRohfrietsch Unapologetic Apologist Supporter

    And the Holy Spirit!
  14. DamianWarS

    DamianWarS Follower of Isa Al Masih Supporter

    Whoever worships the Son worships the Father. I recall Jesus telling off Philip with a similar question

    Jn 14:9
    Jesus answered: "Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'?

    so how can you say who do you worship?
  15. Tree of Life

    Tree of Life Hide The Pain Supporter

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    Worship is due to both the Father and the Son.
  16. RaymondG

    RaymondG Well-Known Member

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    Not sure we can make this exactly comparison. Jesus also states that What you do the the least you did it as unto Him... So if I worship the least, am i worshiping Jesus and the Father?

    When you visit those in Jail....When Jesus was in Jail, you visited Him.......So if I now worship those in Jail........

    It is best to state Jesus' words as is, and not try and change things up to match our interpretations.
  17. Bible Highlighter

    Bible Highlighter Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul. Supporter

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    Well, the word "God" in the Bible (with no special indicator) generally refers to God the Father, so it is not unusual for the Bible to speak in this way. I believe Christians who make God's Word (the Bible) their final Word of authority need to double check their Theology at the door by looking at the whole counsel of God's Word (Especially when it comes to understanding the ontology of God).

    The Bible teaches that there is one God (Deuteronomy 6:4) (1 Timothy 2:5) (Isaiah 45:5).

    Yet, the Bible also teaches that there are distinctions within the Godhead or that there is a plural nature to God.

    Here are a couple of quick points:

    #1. The word Elohim (אֱלֹהִ֔ים) is both a singular and a plural noun.
    #2. God refers to Himself in plural form (Genesis 1:26) (Genesis 3:22) (Genesis 11:7) (Isaiah 6:8).
    #3. Plurality of God in New Testament (Matthew 28:19) (2 Corinthians 13:14) (John 14:16-20).
    #4. Introductions to both the Son & Holy Spirit (Daniel 7:9-10, Daniel 7:13-14) (John 14:16)
    #5. Different persons of Godhead appear at one time (Luke 3:21-22)
    #6. Distinctions of Wills (Luke 22:42).
    #7. Conversations Between the Godhead (Psalms 2:1-12) (Psalms 45:6-7) (Psalms 110:1) (Matthew 11:27) (John 17:24).​

    The Trinity is told to us in one verse in the KJV.

    “For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.” (1 John 5:7).​

    God (who is a singular being) refers to Himself in the plural form (i.e. the different persons of the Godhead or the Trinity) here:

    "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth." (Genesis 1:26).​

    Jesus says,

    "I and my Father are one." (John 10:30).​

    While Jesus was fully a flesh and blood man, Jesus was also fully God.
    For Jesus had power as God:

    #1. Jesus said He has power to raise the dead to life just as the Father had power to raise the dead (John 5:21).
    #2. Hebrews 1:3 talks about how Christ held all things together by the word of His power when He purged us of our sins.
    #3. Jesus said, He would raise up this Temple (His body) three days later (John 2:19).
    #4. Jesus had the power to forgive sins and give eternal life (Mark 2:7) (Luke 7:44-50) (John 14:6).
    #5 Jesus had power to take away the sins of the entire world (John 1:29).
    #6. Jesus Christ said wherever two or three are gathered in my name, there I am among them (Matthew 18:20). This was said to the people he was around and not to just us today.
    #7. Jesus knew men's thoughts (Matthew 9:4) (Matthew 12:25) (Mark 2:8) (Luke 5:22) (Luke 6:8) (Luke 9:47) (Luke 24:38).
    #8. Jesus knew about the lives of others (John 2:24) (John 4:17-18) (John 4:29) (John 6:64).​

    The Holy Spirit is called God:

    “Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.” (Acts of the Apostles 5:3-4).​

    The Holy Spirit is on equal level with being God:

    “Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:” (Matthew 28:19).​

    The Holy Spirit can be grieved:

    “And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.” (Ephesians 4:30).​

    The Holy Spirit can be blasphemed:

    “And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.” (Matthew 12:32).​

    Important Note: Only God can be blasphemed.

    The Father Sent The Holy Spirit:
    The Bible says that God the Father sent the Holy Spirit. Jesus said.

    "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you" (John 14:26).​

    The Father will send the Holy Spirit, not Himself, to help believers.

    There Is A Difference Between The Father And The Holy Spirit:
    (The Holy Spirit does the will of God the Father): Paul wrote.

    "And He who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints in accordance with God's will" (Romans 8:27).​

    Source used for Holy Spirit being distinct from the Father:
    Is the Holy Spirit a Distinct Person from God the Father?
  18. Bible Highlighter

    Bible Highlighter Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul. Supporter

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    160 Reasons Jesus Christ is Almighty God:

    By Thomas Golda

    Only because Jesus Christ is Almighty God do we have reassurance that He can save His elect from eternal damnation and eternal torment.

    1. Jesus IS the visible image of the Invisible God - Colossians 1:15, II Corinthians 4:4...to see Jesus is to see the Invisible God - Mankind was created IN the image of God - Genesis 1:26...Jesus IS the image of God. To see Jesus is to see the Invisible God in the flesh.

    2. Jesus was conceived by God - Luke 1:35, Matthew 1:20. Since Mary was his earthy mother, that makes Jesus fully human..since God was His physical Father, since Jesus did not have an earthy father, that makes Jesus fully God. He was fully man and fully God. The Great Godman.

    3. To see Jesus' face is to see the glory of God - II Corinthians 4:6

    4. Jesus "being in the form of God" makes Him God - Philippians 2:6

    5. Jesus being the brightness of the Father's glory - Hebrews 1:3

    6. Jesus is the exact image of the Father's Person - Hebrews 1:3

    7. That is why to "see Jesus" is to "see the Father" - John 14:9, John 12:45

    8. That is why Jesus said He and His Father are one - John 10:30

    9. Jesus is IN the bosom of the Father - John 1:18. Not "on" the bosom"..not "near" the bosom...IN the bosom...He is in the center of the Father. They are "one"
    10. He is called EVERLASTING Father - Isaiah 9:6

    11. Jesus deserves the SAME honour as the Father - John 5:23

    12.Jesus was WORSHIPPED - Matthew 2:11, Matthew 9:12, Matthew 14:33, Matthew 28:9, Luke 24:52..Since only God is to be worshipped - Matthew 4:10..that means Jesus is God.

    13. Even angels WORSHIP Jesus - Hebrews 1:6

    14. Heaven falls down before the Lamb - Revelation 5:8

    15. Jesus Created ALL things - Colossians 1:16, Hebrews 1:2, John 1:3, Ephesians 3:9 ....God created all things - Acts 14:15, Isaiah 45:18, Isaiah 44:24, Isaiah 42:5. Jesus is God

    16. Jesus also made the world - John 1:10. Jesus is God - Isaiah 44:18

    17. Jesus created all things for HIMSELF - Colossians 1:16, Proverbs 16:4(Jesus is God)

    18. By Jesus all things consist - Colossians 1:17

    19. Jesus upholds all things - Hebrews 1:3

    20. Jesus is before all things - Colossians 1:17

    21. Jesus rules heaven and earth - Matthew 28:18. Jesus is God - II Chronicles 29:11

    22. Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath - Mark 2:28, Luke 6:5

    23. Jesus called Himself the Great "I AM" - John 8:58, John 8:24...a quote from Exodus 3:14

    24. In the body of Jesus dwells the fullness of the Godhead - Colossians 2:9

    25. The Father, Son and Holy Ghost are THREE and they are ONE - I John 5:7

    26. And this is all why Jesus is EQUAL WITH GOD - Philippians 2:6

    27. Jesus was "God manifest in the flesh" - I Timothy 3:16

    28. God was in Christ - Galatians 3:17, II Corinthians 5:19

    29. Jesus is the Power of God and the Wisdom of God - I Corinthians 1:24

    30. Jesus "only" hath immortality - I Timothy 6:16

    31. Jesus is Lord of the living and the dead - Romans 14:9

    32. Jesus is called the Saviour - Luke 2:11, Titus 1:4, Titus 2:13, Titus 3:3, II Peter 1:1, II Peter 1:11, II Peter 2:20, II Peter 3:18, I John 4:14

    33. Only Jehovah God alone is the Saviour - Isaiah 43:11, Isaiah 45:15 , Hosea 13:4, I Timothy 2:2, Jude 1:25...that means Jesus is God.

    34. Jesus ALONE is the Great Judge - John 5:22. The Judge is God - Hebrews 12:23, Revelation 18:8, Hebrews 13:4, Romans 2:3,5 - Jesus is God. All the verses in the Bible that talk about God being the Judge refer to Jesus, since He alone judges. The Father
    judges no man - John 5:22.

    35. Jesus has the keys of hell and of death - Revelation 1:18. The one that can cast into hell is to be FEARED - Matthew 10:28, Luke 12:5 Only God is to be feared - Rev 14:7

    36. Jesus is from EVERLASTING - Micah 5:2, Isaiah 9:6

    37. Jesus has NO BEGINNING of days - Hebrews 7:3

    38. Jesus is the SAME, yesterday, today and forever - Hebrews 13:8. A quote from Psalm 102:27. Jesus is God.

    39. Jesus' is in the midst or the center of the throne of God - Rev 1:6

    40. Jesus has the Greatest Name above every name ever named - Philippians 2:9

    41. Jesus' name is the Greatest in the world to come as well - Ephesians 1:21

    42. And it is before name of JESUS, not any other name including Jehovah, that the peoples of the earth and heaven and bowing before - Philippians 2:10. Jesus is God - Isaiah 45:22-23

    43. Only by the name JESUS can one be saved - Acts 4:10-12

    44. Jesus is called the Alpha and Omega - Revelation 1:11

    45. Jesus who is the Alpha and Omega is the ALMIGHTY - Revelation 1:7-8

    46. Jesus is called the King of kings - I Timothy 6:15. Jesus is the King - Zechariah 9:9. The King is God - I Timothy 1:17. Jesus is God

    47. Jesus is called Lord of lords - I Timothy 6:15. God is called Lord of lords - Deut 10:17. Jesus is God

    48. Christ is called the ROCK - I Corinthians 10:4. That is who Israel followed. The ROCK who Israel followed was GOD - Deut 32:3-4. - God is the Rock - Psalm 18:2 and only God is the Rock - Psalm 18:31. Christ is God.

    49. Jesus calls Himself the FIRST AND THE LAST - Revelation 1:11,17. Only GOD is the FIRST AND THE LAST - Isaiah 44:6, Isaiah 48:12. Jesus is God.

    50. Jesus knows all things (OMNIPOTENT) - John 2:24-25, John 4:29, John 6:64, John 16:30

    51. Jesus is OMNIPRESENT - Matthew 18:20, Matthew 28:20

    52. Jesus' body fills all (is omnipresent) - Ephesians 1:23

    53. Jesus knows the hearts of men - Revelation 2:23

    54. Jesus dwells in the hearts - Ephesians 3:17

    55. And "liveth" in the believers - Galatians 2:20

    56. Jesus knows the thoughts of men - Matthew 9:4, Luke 6:8

    57. And Jesus will judge the "secrets" of men - Romans 2:16

    58. God shed His blood - Acts 20:28

    59. The cross is the "power of God" - I Corinthians 1:17-18

    60. Jesus called the Kingdom of God His Kingdom - John 18:36

    61. Jesus is the "Deliverer" of the believers from the wrath of God - I Thessalonians 1:10, Romans 11:26. Only God is the Deliverer from the wrath of God - II Corinthians 1:9-10

    62. In Jesus' name we TRUST - Ephesians 1:12-13, Matthew 12:21, Philippians 2:19. Only in God do we trust - Psalm 4:5, 7:1, 31:1, 73:28, Isaiah 26:4. Jesus is God.

    63. Jesus is the TRUTH - John 14:6. Jesus is God - Psalm 31:5

    64. Jesus sent the prophets - Matthew 23:34...God sent the prophets - Jeremiah 7:25. Jesus is God who sent the prophets.

    65. Jesus is the Stone of stumbling - I Peter 2:8. A prophesy from Isaiah 8:13-14. God is the stone of stumbling. Jesus is God.

    66. God is the fountain of living waters - Jeremiah 17:13....Jesus is the fountain of living waters - John 4:10-14

    67. Jesus brings reward to the wicked for their works - Matthew 16:27. Jesus is God - Psalm 54:4-5, II Samuel 3:39.

    68. The reward of salvation is "with Jesus" - Revelation 22:12. Jesus is God - Isaiah 62:11, Isaiah 40:10

    69. Jesus gave power to His people - Luke 9:1. Jesus is God - Psalm 68:35

    70. Jesus is called the HOLY ONE - Acts 3:14. Jesus is God - Isaiah 30:15, Isaiah 40:25, Isaiah 41:14, Isaiah 43:15

    71. Jesus is the light - John 8:12. Jesus is God - Psalm 27:1

    72. Jesus is the Husband of believers - Revelation 19:7,9, 21:2, 21:9. Jesus is God - Isaiah 54:5

    73. Jesus gives us rest - Matthew 11:28. Jesus is God - Exodus 33:14

    74. Jesus gathers the sheep - John 10:16. Jesus is God - Ezekiel 34:11

    75. Jesus seeks and saves that which is lost - Luke 19:10. Jesus is God - Ezekiel 34:16

    76. Jesus is the Shepherd - John 10:11,14. Jesus is God - Psalm 23:1

    77. Jesus feeds the people and causes them to sit down - Mark 8:5-10, Matthew 14:19-21. Jesus is God - Ezekiel 34:15

    78. The blood of Jesus cleanses us from sin - I John 1:7. God cleanses from sin - Psalm 51:2, Ezekiel 36:25.. Jesus is God

    79. Redemption is from Jesus Christ - Romans 3:24, Colossians 1:14. Redemption is from God - Psalm 130:7. Jesus is God

    80. Christ is the Redeemer - Galatians 4:5, Galatians 3:13, Revelation 5:9, Titus 2:14. God is the Redeemer - Jeremiah 31:11, Isaiah 41:14, Isaiah 44:22, Isaiah 44:6, Isaiah 44:24. Jesus is God

    81. Jesus wrote new commandments with His finger - John 8:5-9. This is to show that He is God who wrote the 10 commandments with His finger - Exodus 31:18

    82. The Bible declares God. That God is Jesus who is written in all the scriptures - Luke 24:27, Luke 24:44, John 5:39, John 5:46

    83. ALL things are by Jesus - I Corinthians 8:6

    84. John the Baptist, the voice in the wilderness prepared the coming of the Lord - Matthew 3:3. A quote from Isaiah 40:3...He prepared the coming of Jehovah God!!!!

    85. Jesus forgave sin - Matthew 9:2, Mark 2:5....and only GOD can forgive sins - Mark 2:7. Only God can forgive sin where they are atoned for it. Jesus is God.

    86. Jesus forgave sins and healed diseases - Matthew 9:6. Only God can do that - Psalm 103:3

    87. Jesus calmed the storm - Matthew 8:26...Only God can - Psalm 107:25

    88. God was pierced - Zechariah 12:10...quoted again in John 19:37. Jesus is God

    89. God was priced at 30 pieces of silver - Zechariah 11:12-13...quoted again in Matthew 27:9....Jesus is God.

    90. Jesus returns again with His saints - I Thess. 3:13. A fulfillment of Zechariah 14:5 that says GOD will come with His saints. Jesus is God.

    91. The Jews wanted Jesus killed for the crime of Blasphemy - Matthew 26:65. In their minds He claimed to be God - John 10:33, and Equal with God - John 5:18 and forgave as only God can do - Mark 2:7, Luke 5:21...that was blasphemy is their eyes - Mark 2:7,
    Luke 5:21. Jesus by His words and actions claimed to be God...and that is why He was found guilty by the Jews of blasphemy.

    92. Jesus raised Himself from the dead - John 2:19-21. John 10:17-18

    93. Jesus will raise all the dead - John 6:39-40,44. God raises the dead both physically and spiritually - Ezekiel 37:12-14. Jesus is God

    94. The Spirit of God and the Spirit of Christ are one and the same. Christ is God - Romans 8:9

    95. Jesus quickens (which means to make alive) - John 5:21. Only God can make someone alive - Ezekiel 37:5-6,9. Only God can quicken - Psalm 80:18. Jesus is God.

    96. One cannot serve God and mammon - Matthew 6:24. Only God is to be served - Romans 1:9. The One we serve is Jesus Christ - Colossians 3:24.

    97. Jesus is the one who "justifies" - Galatians 2:17. ONLY GOD can justifieth - Romans 8:33. Jesus is God.

    98. Jesus "reveals" truth - Luke 10:22, Matthew 11:27. Only GOD can reveal truth - Philippians 3:15, I Corinthians 2:10. Jesus is God.

    99. God will not share His glory with another - Isaiah 42:8, 48:11. But the Father glorifies the Son - John 17:1,5, John 12:23, John 13:31-32. Jesus is God and He is ONE with the Father.

    100. ONLY in the name of JESUS is their salvation. There is salvation is NONE OTHER - Acts 4:10-12, II Timothy 2:10. And salvation belongs to GOD - Psalm 3:8, Jonah 2:9, Lamentations 3:26, Isaiah 52:10, Psalm 51:14. Since only in the name of Jesus is there
    salvation and salvation belongs to God, that simply means Jesus is God.

    101. Jesus chooses the elect - John 15:16. Jesus is God - I Thess. 2:13, I Cor. 1:27

    102. Men are Jesus' disciples - John 13:35, John 15:8. Jesus is God - Isaiah 8:16

    103. Jesus' voice is the sound of many waters - Revelation 1:15. Jesus is Almighty God - Ezekiel 43:2.

    104. Jesus' feet are like fine brass - Revelation 1:15. Jesus is God - Ezekiel 1:7, Ezekiel 1:28

    105. Jesus' name is the Word of God - Revelation 19:13

    106. All grace comes from God - I Peter 5:10. Jesus is that God where all grace comes from - Rev 22:21, Romans 16:20, I Thess. 5:28, II Thess. 3:18

    107. Jesus comes with clouds - Rev 1:7, Matthew 24:30 - Jesus is God - Isaiah 19:1, Jeremiah 4:13, Numbers 11:25

    108. Jesus is called God - John 1:1, Hebrews 1:8

    109. Jesus is called The Great God - Titus 2:13

    110. Jesus is called The Mighty God - Isaiah 9:6

    111. Jesus is called The True God - I John 5:20

    112. Jesus is "God with us" - Matthew 1:21

    113. Jesus is called "My God" - John 20:28. Since there is "no other God" - Isaiah 45:5,21-22..that means Jesus is that God.

    114. Jesus is called "our hope" - I Timothy 1:1. We hope in Jesus - I Cor. 15:19. We are to only hope in God - I Peter 1:21, Psalm 38:15. Jesus is God.

    115. Christ is our life - Colossians 3:4. Jesus is God - Psalm 42:8

    116. Jesus is called Faithful - Revelation 19:11. Jesus is God - Deut 7:9

    117. Jesus is called True - Revelation 19:11. Jesus is God - Romans 3:4

    118. Israel temped Christ - I Corinthians 10:9. Jesus is God - Deut 6:16, Numbers 14:22.

    119. Christ sent serpents and destroyed Israel - I Cor 10:9. Jesus is God - Numbers 21:6-7

    120. Jesus rebukes and chastens - Revelation 3:19 - Jesus is God - Hebrews 12:5-7, Proverbs 3:11-12.

    121. Jesus is the Author and Finisher of faith - Hebrews 12:2

    122. God said "Let US make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness" - Genesis 1:26. The plurality refers to the Trinity. This is not talking about the angels or heavenly host. Angels cannot create life. Secondly, nowhere is it indicated that angels are made in the image of
    God. Third, there is no indication that mankind is created in the image of angels.

    123. The plurality of the Trinity is also referred to in Genesis 3:22 and Isaiah 6:8. Jesus is God.

    124. Before Jesus became man, He had glory with the Father before the world was - John 17:5

    125. All things are given into Jesus' hand - John 3:35

    126. Jesus is described as "WHICH WAS" dead, and "IS" alive - Revelation 2:8. The one who "which was" and "which is" is Almighty God - Revelation 4:8, Revelation 1:8. Jesus is God.

    127. The "Great Day" of the Wrath of the Lamb - Revelation 6:16-17 is the "Great Day" of God Almighty - Revelation 16:14. Jesus is the Lamb who is God Almighty.

    128. Jesus is the King - I Timothy 6:15, John 18:37. Jesus is the King who is called the "only wise God" - I Timothy 1:17

    129. Jesus is called the "Just One" - Acts 22:14. Jesus is God - Isaiah 45:21

    130. Jesus "gives" repentance - Acts 5:31, Acts 3:26. Jesus is God - II Timothy 2:25

    131. Jesus reconciled all things to Himself - Colossians 1:20. Jesus is God - Romans 5:18-19

    132. Jesus brings Judgment on the churches in Revelation 2 and 3. Jesus is God - Hebrews 10:30, Deuteronomy 32:35-36

    133. God has a Father - Revelation 1:6. That God is Jesus Christ.

    134. Jesus stilled the waves and rules the sea- Matthew 8:26-27, Mark 4:39-41. Jesus is God - Psalm 89:8-9

    135. Jesus has eyes that are sent forth into all the earth - Revelation 5:6 - Jesus is God - II Chronicles 16:9

    136. To know the love of Christ is to be filled with the fulness of God - Ephesians 3:19

    137. Christ strengthens the believers - Philippians 4:13. Christ is God - Isaiah 40:29, Isaiah 41:10

    138. In Christ's presence is fullness of joy - John 15:11. Jesus is God - Psalm 16:11

    139. To see Jesus is to see the Father and to hate Jesus is to hate the Father as well - John 15:24, John 15:23

    140. Jesus turns the water into wine - John 2:7-11. A creative act to show that Jesus is Creator God.

    141. Jesus walks on water - John 6:19, Matthew 14:26, Mark 6:48 - Jesus is God - Psalm 93:4, Psalm 95:5, Psalm 72:8, Job 9:8

    142. Jesus causes the blind to see - Matthew 9:27-30, Matthew 11:5, Mark 8:22-26, Mark 10:51-52. Jesus is God - Psalm 146:8, Isaiah 35:4-5

    143. Jesus causes the deaf to hear - Matthew 11:5, Mark 7:32, Mark 7:37 - Jesus is God - Isaiah 35:4-5, Isaiah 43:7-8

    144. Jesus causes the dumb to speak - Matthew 9:32-33, Matt 15:31, Mark 7:37, Luke 11:14. Jesus is God - Isaiah 36:6, Ezekiel 24:27, Ezekiel 33:22

    145. Jesus causes the lame to walk - Matthew 11:5, Mark 2:11, Luke 7:22 - Jesus is God - Isaiah 35:6

    146. Jesus' face shines as the sun - Matthew 17:2. Jesus is God - Psalm 84:11, Malachi 4:2

    147. Jesus will inherit all nations - Psalm 2:7-8. Jesus is God - Psalm 82:8

    148. Jesus will rule all nations with a rod of iron - Revelation 12:5. Jesus is God - Isaiah 14:5-6

    149. Jesus will smite all nations with a rod or iron. He is the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God - Revelation 19:15. He is Almighty God who brings wrath.

    150. Jesus and His Father established the ends of the earth - Proverbs 30:4

    151. Jesus was without sin - II Corinthians 5:21, Hebrews 4:15, I Peter 2:22. Only God is without sin - Deuteronomy 32:4. Jesus is God

    152. Jesus is ABOVE ALL - John 3:31

    153. Jesus is GOD OVER ALL - Romans 9:5

    154. Jesus is LORD OF ALL - Acts 10:36

    155. The Lord God sent His angel to John - Rev 22:6. It is Jesus that sent His angel - Rev 22:16. Jesus is the Lord God.

    156. Jesus is called the "Lord of Glory" - I Corinthians 2:8. Jesus is YHWH God - Psalm 24:8-10

    157. Jesus gets glory now and forever - II Peter 3:18

    158. The Father calls Jesus "LORD" who made heaven and earth - Hebrews 1:10

    159. Heaven is God's throne and earth His FOOTSTOOL - Isaiah 66:1, Matthew 5:34-35. Jesus is God - Matthew 22:44, Hebrews 1:13

    160. Every knee shall bow, and "every tongue" shall confess to GOD - Romans 14:11. The God "every tongue" is confessing to is JESUS CHRIST - Philippians 2:11

  19. DamianWarS

    DamianWarS Follower of Isa Al Masih Supporter

    the logic you are applying is still violated with or without my statement and you still have a problem that if one worships random people (the least) they are worshiping Jesus. I think the logic you're applying here needs to be revisited. The passage where that's found gives us examples such as if someone is hungry, thirsty, a stranger, sick in jail, etc... none of these are worship driven they are love driven and this is how we should approach it.

    in the context of worship, it is reserved for God and God alone. In the context of love, it is open to all (more to what Jesus is referring to). We may worship God by loving those we visit in Jail but even in that context the worship is directed toward God and the love is directed to the person and God because as you pointed out... whatever you do
  20. Bible Highlighter

    Bible Highlighter Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul. Supporter

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    Yes, God can give Himself authority if a part of Himself (i.e. the second person of the Godhead or the Trinity) humbled himself to be as a man.
    The same is true in regards to exaltation.

    As for words in the Bible that suggest a hierarchy of the Godhead or the Trinity:

    Christians who believe in the Trinity are in disagreement on whether there is a hierarchy. The Bible does appear to suggest this with the words you have brought forth, but this would not be a contradiction of them all coequaling being one entity or God (if all three persons exist and are connected as one God). Even God the Father was reconciling us upon the cross.

    19 "For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;
    20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven." (Colossians 1:19-20).

    Jesus, the man was an embodiment of fulness of the Godhead or the Trinity.
    By him (the Father) reconciled all things unto himself, including making peace through the blood of the cross. The Father was in Jesus. They are one. The Father was reconciling the world unto Himself.
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