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Featured LDS Do you worship Jesus ???

Discussion in 'Debate Other Religions & Faiths' started by drstevej, May 15, 2018.

  1. drstevej

    drstevej Light Attracts Bugs Staff Member Chaplain Supporter

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    For our Mormon posters a simple question. Do you worship Jesus ???

    Yes [ ]
    No [ ]

    (FTR: I worship Jesus)
     
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  2. drstevej

    drstevej Light Attracts Bugs Staff Member Chaplain Supporter

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    Is this a hard question?

    Do you worship Jesus ???

    Yes [ ]
    No [ ]
     
  3. withwonderingawe

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    Yes, but how do you define worship?
     
  4. drstevej

    drstevej Light Attracts Bugs Staff Member Chaplain Supporter

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    Worship = reverent honor and homage paid to God.
     
  5. withwonderingawe

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    Yes, however some here pray to Jesus and we don't. We use the Lord's prayer as our example by praying directly to the Father. We end our prayers in the name of Jesus Christ because he is the mediator.
     
  6. Phoebe Ann

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    Book of Mormon, 2 Nephi 25
    29 And now behold, I say unto you that the right way is to believe in Christ, and deny him not; and Christ is the Holy One of Israel; wherefore ye must bow down before him, and worship him with all your might, mind, and strength, and your whole soul; and if ye do this ye shall in nowise be cast out.
     
  7. Peter1000

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    You asked this same question on another thread, and I replied and asked you if you had any scripture that has Jesus telling us to worship him.

    As I remember, Jesus is always telling us to worship the Father, who he says is his God and our God, and his Father and our Father (see John 20:17). So if Jesus has a God, and worships him, that is who I am going to worship too.

    I don't think there is anything wrong with worshipping Jesus Christ, but he did teach us to pray to his Father but we pray to the Father in the name of Jesus Christ, his Son. So there are times when it is appropriate to worship Jesus, but his God and our God is God the Father, who he says to pray to and worship, being the only good one.
     
  8. Peter1000

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    It is appropriate at times to worship Jesus. But Jesus has a God, who is also our God (see John 20:17) and Jesus tells us to pray to him, but pray to him in the name of Jesus Christ. This we do.
     
  9. Phoebe Ann

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    According to Mormonism, Jesus is God of this earth (where we live).
     
  10. Daniel Marsh

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    A historical source about early Christian worship:

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    At one point in his letter, Pliny relates some of the information he has learned about these Christians:

    They were in the habit of meeting on a certain fixed day before it was light, when they sang in alternate verses a hymn to Christ, as to a god, and bound themselves by a solemn oath, not to any wicked deeds, but never to commit any fraud, theft or adultery, never to falsify their word, nor deny a trust when they should be called upon to deliver it up; after which it was their custom to separate, and then reassemble to partake of food – but food of an ordinary and innocent kind.[10]

    This passage provides us with a number of interesting insights into the beliefs and practices of early Christians. First, we see that Christians regularly met on a certain fixed day for worship. Second, their worship was directed to Christ, demonstrating that they firmly believed in His divinity. Furthermore, one scholar interprets Pliny's statement that hymns were sung to Christ, "as to a god", as a reference to the rather distinctive fact that, "unlike other gods who were worshipped, Christ was a person who had lived on earth."[11] If this interpretation is correct, Pliny understood that Christians were worshipping an actual historical person as God! Of course, this agrees perfectly with the New Testament doctrine that Jesus was both God and man."Ancient Evidence for Jesus from Non-Christian Sources
     
  11. Daniel Marsh

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    Hebrews 1:6 New International Version (NIV)
    6 And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says,

    “Let all God’s angels worship him.”
     
  12. Daniel Marsh

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    John 20:28
    Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!” is an example of worship of Jesus
     
  13. Daniel Marsh

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    another historical source:

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    Lucian of Samosata was a second century Greek satirist. In one of his works, he wrote of the early Christians as follows:

    The Christians ... worship a man to this day – the distinguished personage who introduced their novel rites, and was crucified on that account.... [It] was impressed on them by their original lawgiver that they are all brothers, from the moment that they are converted, and deny the gods of Greece, and worship the crucified sage, and live after his laws.
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  14. Daniel Marsh

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    "Just after Jesus amazed the disciples by walking on water, “those who were in the boat worshiped him, saying, ‘Truly you are the Son of God’” (Matthew 14:33). Two more memorable examples of Jesus accepting worship occurred just after His resurrection. Some of the women (Matthew 28:8-9; Mark 16:1; Luke 24:10) were on their way to tell the disciples of the resurrection when Jesus met them on their way. When they realized it was He, they “came to him, clasped his feet and worshiped him” (Matthew 28:9).

    Then there is the case of Thomas, who didn't believe Jesus had risen from the dead despite the other disciples’ testifying to that fact. It had been about a week since the resurrection, and Thomas still doubted it. Jesus, knowing Thomas doubted, appeared to him and showed him the nail marks in His hands and feet and the wound in His side. How did Thomas respond? “Thomas said to him, ‘My Lord and my God!’” (John 20:28). In none of these instances do we see Jesus telling those worshiping Him to stop, as did mere men and even angels who were being worshiped wrongly by others (Acts 10:25–26; Revelation 19:9–10)."Does the Bible describe Jesus being worshiped?

    Matthew 28:9

    9 And behold, Jesus met them and said, “Greetings!” And they came up and took hold of his feet and worshiped him.
     
  15. Daniel Marsh

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    Revelation 4 New International Version (NIV)
    The Throne in Heaven
    4 After this I looked, and there before me was a door standing open in heaven. And the voice I had first heard speaking to me like a trumpet said, “Come up here, and I will show you what must take place after this.” 2 At once I was in the Spirit, and there before me was a throne in heaven with someone sitting on it. 3 And the one who sat there had the appearance of jasper and ruby. A rainbow that shone like an emerald encircled the throne. 4 Surrounding the throne were twenty-four other thrones, and seated on them were twenty-four elders. They were dressed in white and had crowns of gold on their heads. 5 From the throne came flashes of lightning, rumblings and peals of thunder. In front of the throne, seven lamps were blazing. These are the seven spirits[a] of God. 6 Also in front of the throne there was what looked like a sea of glass, clear as crystal.

    In the center, around the throne, were four living creatures, and they were covered with eyes, in front and in back. 7 The first living creature was like a lion, the second was like an ox, the third had a face like a man, the fourth was like a flying eagle. 8 Each of the four living creatures had six wings and was covered with eyes all around, even under its wings. Day and night they never stop saying:

    “‘Holy, holy, holy

    is the Lord God Almighty,’

    who was, and is, and is to come.”

    9 Whenever the living creatures give glory, honor and thanks to him who sits on the throne and who lives for ever and ever, 10 the twenty-four elders fall down before him who sits on the throne and worship him who lives for ever and ever. They lay their crowns before the throne and say:

    11 “You are worthy, our Lord and God,
    to receive glory and honor and power,
    for you created all things,
    and by your will they were created
    and have their being.”

    Me: If you are not aware this book is all about unveiling whom Jesus is.
     
  16. Daniel Marsh

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    Acts 7:59
    While they were stoning him, Stephen prayed, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.”

    This is a short direct prayer to Jesus!!!!

    Bottom Line Jesus is our Lord and God as such one can worship and pray to him.
     
  17. Daniel Marsh

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    The phrase Lord Jesus is used often in the NT.

    2 Corinthians 11:31
    The God and Father of the Lord Jesus, who is to be praised forever, knows that I am not lying.

    There is nothing wrong with praying and worshiping the Father. It is just that doing so with Jesus is permeable too and follows the historical examples I already gave.
     
  18. Daniel Marsh

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    Matthew 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

    1 Corinthians 5:4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
     
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    Matthew 21:16
    And said unto him, Hearest thou what these say? And Jesus saith unto them, Yea; have ye never read, Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings thou hast perfected praise?

    1 Peter 4:11 If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God; if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth: that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

    1 Corinthians 12:3 So I tell you that no one who is speaking with the help of God’s Spirit says, “Jesus be cursed.” And no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” without the help of the Holy Spirit.
     
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