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Featured Do you want to be taken or left behind?

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by RickReads, Oct 14, 2020.

  1. Danigt22

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    Rev 5:9 kjv, we are already there when the first seal is open and pretty much alive and resurrected. I believe Matthew 24 is talking to the jews after the rapture, most of our lord ministry was for the house of Israel. So the rapture Paul teaches and this gathering are two different events.
     
  2. Danigt22

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    Jhon 10 "1Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber. 2But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep. 3To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out. 4And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice. 5And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers. 6This parable spake Jesus unto them: but they understood not what things they were which he spake unto them.

    7Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep. 8All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them. 9I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture. 10The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly."

    The thiefs are the one trying to enter with works instead of grace and faith alone.
     
  3. Maria Billingsley

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    Simply put, Noah and his family were left behind. Jesus Christ of Nazareth said it will be like the "days of Noah".
    Who was taken in 70AD? The unrighteous. Who was left behind ? The rightious.
    Be blessed.
     
  4. lsume

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    There is a new heaven and a new earth. In Spiritual terms, some end up in heaven and for a time on earth. The meek shall inherit the earth.
     
  5. Bible Highlighter

    Bible Highlighter Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul. Supporter

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    All of Matthew 24 is dealing with the Mid Trib gathering up by angels (in the middle of the Tribulation).
    The Parable of the Ten Virgins in Matthew 25 is a foreshadow of the Pre-Trib Rapture (Which is another earlier event). The Pre-Trib Rapture is a new mystery revealed by the apostle Paul in 1 Thessalonians 4, and 1 Corinthians 15.

    Two events.

    #1. Pre-Trib Rapture - 1 Corinthians 15, 1 Thessalonians 4, Matthew 25
    #2. Mid Trib Gathering up by angels - Matthew 24.​

    Note: Christ's second coming is at the end of the tribulation period.

    If you are interested in learning more with Scripture, check out my extensive “End Times Chronology,” in this thread here:

    Pre-Trib Only - My New End Times Chronology
     
  6. Scott Husted

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    The one that is taken never was ...
     
  7. George Antonios

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    It depends on the dispensation.

    For the church's rapture, you want to be taken.

    For the tribulation period described in Matthew 24, you want to be left behind.
     
  8. friend of

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    Taken. Get me outta here!
     
  9. RickReads

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    Even if taken means you will be bird food? :scratch:
     
  10. Michael Collum

    Michael Collum Everything began with a voice, use yours Supporter

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    Yeah Jesus talked like that, guess it will be interesting to see when that Generation happens.
     
  11. RickReads

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    You might be part of the this.
     
  12. Michael Collum

    Michael Collum Everything began with a voice, use yours Supporter

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    Yep, never know - best to live in the present.

    The gift missed most often.
     
  13. Cis.jd

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    It depends on who is going and who is staying.
     
  14. chad kincham

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    Agreed.

    The only comment I would add to that is, Jesus shows us in those passages that half the believers will be left behind at the rapture.

    Half the ten virgins were left. 50%

    One taken and one left. 50%.

    Jesus says He vomits out the lukewarm.

    And Jesus said not all are worthy to escape the great Tribulation- Luke 21:36

    The shocking fact is that the lukewarm are also left behind, and will have to meet the Antichrist before they meet Jesus.

    Maybe the large number of those left behind explains why John the revelator saw a crowd of martyrs coming out of the great tribulation, that was too large to count.

    They are those beheaded for not taking the mark of the beast. Revelation 7:9 and 7:14
     
  15. ewq1938

    ewq1938 Movies are better than the book. Staff Member Supervisor Supporter

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    The one taken represents those who will be raptured. In both the rapture and the taking there are people literally taken from somewhere to another place to be together with others. Both "caught up together" and "one taken" match in what happens and when it happens and who does the moving of these people.
     
  16. ewq1938

    ewq1938 Movies are better than the book. Staff Member Supervisor Supporter

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    That happens on the day of the GWTJ and LOF, not the second coming. At the second coming you want to be "gathered" first because that's the rapture. On the day of the GWTJ, you do not want to be gathered first because the order is reversed.
     
  17. ewq1938

    ewq1938 Movies are better than the book. Staff Member Supervisor Supporter

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    Right and Noah and his family were taken into the Ark before that flood came so he represents those raptured while those left are the ones the flood kills. The rapture happens before the "flood" of God's wrath comes for those not taken to safety.

    Remember the order of good/saved first, then wrath/death second:

    Happens first ..................................................................Happens last

    Good-Noah and family.....................................................Bad-the rest/drowned
    Good-Lot and his family......(Luke 17)...............................Bad-those left in the city
    Good-the one taken/accepted...........................................Bad-the one left/rejected
    Good-the goodman..........................................................Bad-the thief
    Good-the wise servant.....................................................Bad-the evil servant
    Good-the wise virgins......................................................Bad-the foolish virgins
    Good-the servants that increased the talents.....................Bad-the servant that did not have an increase
    Good-the sheep...............................................................Bad-the goats

    The saved people............................................................The punished people
     
  18. RickReads

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    Matthew 24:39-41 the order is reversed. Flood first then the taking away.
     
  19. ewq1938

    ewq1938 Movies are better than the book. Staff Member Supervisor Supporter

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    The Ark and those who enter it is always first. The flood is second which means the one taken was already completed before the flood came just like the rapture is completed before the "flood" of God's wrath comes.

    Exactly the same with Lot. Angels took him and his family to a safe place while those left behind in the cities suffered the wrath of God.
     
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  20. ewq1938

    ewq1938 Movies are better than the book. Staff Member Supervisor Supporter

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    You would want to be taken into the Ark and taken away by the Ark, not left behind outside of the Ark in the cities people stayed in until the flood killed them.

    The first new action is applied to the one taken because it happens first. This would be Noah entering the Ark, and Lot leaving Sodom, and the wise virgins being taken by the bridegroom. In each story the one taken are saved. It is the one left behind that is the one who dies, taken in judgment, not taken to the wedding etc. That's even what the word "left" means in Greek. Be taken like the wise virgins and don't be the foolish virgins that Christ left behind.

    Even in the OT and the plague of hail teaches the one taken from the field was taken to safety and the one left in the field died from the hail.

    Taken to safety is always first in the various examples and stories. It is always the second one which remains in the same place and wicked spiritual condition which suffers and dies.
     
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